God Confirm
We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
It was actually extremely obvious that he was just saying the vortex Quan used to have is still there if he lands a combo with a bat already out. Not trying to redefine the word vortex.
According to the OP he DOES have a wake-up option now?All im saying is that if beta is the patch for quan he becomes unviable for pretty much each variation, less so with warlock. But watch and see, trance and not being able to call bat makes summoner 50% less of a threat, and he still has no wakeup option. Nrs said quan isnt top tier anymore and stop playing him. I mean u can deal with reality of be delusional quan chi fan and get mopped by me
Either he has a valid wake-up option like Shujinkydink is saying, or he doesn't, like you are saying. Which one is it?I see his slydrop is pretty fast now, so thats prolly wat they referrin too
So it's not good enough to be an armored wake up because its punishable on block? Fucking level up, sorry but just because you play Quan doesn't mean you never have to make a read ever. Safe armored specials are few and far in between, and most of the best wake-ups are completely unsafe (Lao Spin) so you should get that out of your head. If they expect it and are blocking, you get to wake up and start pressuring or 50/50i consider it unviable, but that other dude ur talkin about wont use it as a wakeup cause he knows its punishable and everyone expects it
If trance turned purple it would be cool, but as long as it doesn't it makes no sense. This still doesn't make the meter spell useful anyways, at least that's my initial common sense impression.
When standing into purple spell the opponent loses meter when hit by trance as well!!!!!!! .....COOOOOOOOOL
Quan does have a meterless vortex off d3 that can loop continuously into itself across all variationsFirst off, vortex in its true definiton meant a HKD mixup that lead to a HKD. That definition has since been misappropriated (as has been the case with a lot of FGC terms) to mean any mixup that loops into itself. If it doesn't loop continuously then it's not a vortex. Saying he has a meterless vortex is objectively wrong. Saying that it's a vortex at all is also wrong because you don't have infinite meter, ergo it can't loop into itself ad nausem. Unless you have the meter to kill, it's a mixup. Please use the word correctly next time.
Well it was +12.Quan players be like "Ah its -1 down from +17, i'll rework some combos"
KungLao players be like "HOWTHEFKFLK ITS ONLY +7 down from +20 POS GAME IMQUITTIN"
That's exactly what he said. Unwilling to adaptWell it was +12.
From the outside, as someone who has probably never loaded up practice mode or a game as Kung Lao, it's easy to say "lawl 5 frames how is that bad".
At +12 his two main block strings, 11212 and b321 had to be respected. Now he can only follow up with F2 or D4, unless the defender REALLY respects those 2 moves, which deserve no respect. F2 can't be extended into a combo since you have no hat on your head. Obviously D4 can't start a combo. Neither jail btw, both can be armored.
You might say "well, you get hit advantage if you land either of those", sure I do, but they could just backdash, they could armor, they could block them, or they could even just jump. So what a non-50/50 character with bad pokes gets for a bar now, is a mind game that isn't really that advantageous at all. Before the mind game was SOOOOOOOOOOO in Kung Lao's favor. His weaknesses didn't matter, you could just grind people out with EX hat mind games + orbiting hat set ups. The jailing and respected blockstrings are all gone.
Quan still has 50/50s, the ability to make 50/50s safe, a 6 frame jip, a 5 frame njp, a vortex. All things to open people up that Kung Lao lacks. The only mix up that Kung Lao has is D4/B2; even that can be fuzzy guarded lol.
Possible response.....
"Kung Lao still has the orbiting hat set up bro. He doesn't just have to space someone out to open them up every time."
True, but throws did get nerfed, so now it's even harder to get anything going with orbiting hat set ups in the corner.
Kung Lao is the most nerfed character by far. He went from top 1, to a very fair character. Can't expect people who played a character that was so OP for so long, to not be a little butthurt about this. lol
Do you have the beta? What do you think of his new wake-up? this is like my millionth time asking in here, I don't have beta so I don't know how good it isSo, I want to preface this post by saying that I'm by no means the best player ever, but I wanted to give my impressions on Quan after the nerfs.
After playing with him all day, I think he's still very good. Most likely A tier from S+. The Trance duration has thrown me off a bit with combos, but otherwise it's not bad.
The post MB Rune meta seems like it plays out like this: At -1, you can d1 check anyone without a 6 frame d1. The full delay gives you a free d1. If they block it, while you could get punished in theory, I find it doesn't happen in practice often.
Anyway, because most players will wait for the d1, you can throw, 50/50, walk back, etc. You could also bait armor.
If the d1 hits, you either do d3 if they don't respect the +3, or you bait armor or walk back. Walking will be implemented more for whiff punishing in the future after d1 on hit or MB Rune, imo.
The zoning doesn't feel that much different. Skull blocked full screen still guarantees rune, and while MB Rune doesn't guarantee far rune check, if they run you can still do Skull or mid rune. It simply requires
I'm guessing it's the opposite?Starts up in 62 frames (down from 45)
It's faster for sure, but to be perfectly honest I'm so used to not using it that I forget its an option. Ill try to incorporate it more.Do you have the beta? What do you think of his new wake-up? this is like my millionth time asking in here, I don't have beta so I don't know how good it is
I've been spamming it like crazy to test it and my current impression is that he still has the worst armor in the game but the gap between his armor and other armor is smaller. Before it was a complete waste of bar and would never work now it has its uses and it's probably moderately worse than Predator?It's faster for sure, but to be perfectly honest I'm so used to not using it that I forget its an option. Ill try to incorporate it more.
I did use it once vs our local Lao only to have it stuffed, but Lao can stuff all kinds of wake ups.
I'll give more feedback as I keep playing
He's trash anyways. With the most horrible lag, and he fears competition.Yessss,, one less Quan player