Question - Summoner What improvements would you like to see with summoner for kp2?

[Rude]

Stop acting like you can't backdash f2 and b2 after mb flying kick.

The same could be said for b2 after mb Rune and b32 mb rune.

 

[Wetdoba]

Straw man fallacy, I am not making it out to be that way. I'm stating the fact that having a good armored move is extremely valuable for defense.

But when you gave the options Quan has its excessive and not required at all

 

[Goat-City]

But when you gave the options Quan has its excessive and not required at all

I agree, but not if the EX rune is nerfed to be -1. He needs godlike offense to compete without armor. His d1 doesnt guarantee anything on hit and it's punishable on block. His backdash, even though it's great, is still just a backdash in a game where backdashes have too much recovery and are easily chased down by forward advancing strings and long range JIPs. With no armor for opponents to respect on wake up or as a counter poking method or to armor through gaps, you're at a very big set back.

 

[Goat-City]

So an unsafe DP and an unsafe parry? Her pressure isn't as good as Quan's meterless pressure is. Her zoning is great relative to characters who don't have any tools.

What does DP stand for? Are you saying an unsafe armored launcher isn't an extremely good tool to have?

 

[Invincible Salads]

What does DP stand for? Are you saying an unsafe armored launcher isn't an extremely good tool to have?

it clearly stands for Dick Punch, they probably confused this with the Johnny Cage forums

 

[GAV]

Can we make him any swaggier, maybe give him a variation with dreads or cyborg parts?

 

[Aramonde]

With these nerfs are they at least going to make sky drop useful?

 

[MadPropz101]

This has to be a troll otherwise you just put yourself on Stigmata's IQ level by stating the following in one thread

1. QUAN CHI ISNT TOURNAMENT VIABLE

2. KENSHI IS UNTAPPED


If you're serious then I'll sum it up: Quan is good enough for MKX, you're just not good enough for Quan

I'd tap Kenshi.

 

[Evil Sorcerer]

I personally don't believe these nerfs until I see them incorporated into the game. If they do happen, then it's time to complain, adapt or change character...whatever suits us best

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

 

[Error404]

Doesnt mean shit because none of that is as valuable for defense as a wakeup is. As a Summoner player once you get knocked down versus a pressure character you are at a huge disadvantage. None of those things help that. The 6f d1 is plus 3 on hit and full combo punishable on block. Stop.

In reality many characters can't wake up because they just get armour broken by the entire cast. Sorry that Quan has to be ot the receiving end of a mix-up occasionally. I guess pressing block is just too damn hard .

 

[Goat-City]

In reality many characters can't wake up because they just get armour broken by the entire cast. Sorry that Quan has to be ot the receiving end of a mix-up occasionally. I guess pressing block is just too damn hard .

There's not a single character in the game who cannot be armored through on a read on wakeup. There are some situations where you can't armor, but there's always situations where you can, and if your opponent attempts to armor break you then that usually means there's no 50/50 to worry about. With Quan no one has to worry about armor breaking him so it's not essential to try to. It's not simply being able to wakeup but it's being able to armor through pokes and gaps. Once the Quan player gets up after the knockdown there's no situation where he can armor through either, which is a very big draw back to his defense.

 

[Error404]

There's not a single character in the game who cannot be armored through on a read on wakeup. There are some situations where you can't armor, but there's always situations where you can, and if your opponent attempts to armor break you then that usually means there's no 50/50 to worry about. With Quan no one has to worry about armor breaking him so it's not essential to try to. It's not simply being able to wakeup but it's being able to armor through pokes and gaps. Once the Quan player gets up after the knockdown there's no situation where he can armor through either, which is a very big draw back to his defense.

There is so much wrong in this post . I won't bother to argue with any of you anymore. It's pretty clear from the nerf that paulo shares my opinion not yours.

 

[xxFalcon Loverxx]

There's not a single character in the game who cannot be armored through on a read on wakeup. There are some situations where you can't armor, but there's always situations where you can, and if your opponent attempts to armor break you then that usually means there's no 50/50 to worry about. With Quan no one has to worry about armor breaking him so it's not essential to try to. It's not simply being able to wakeup but it's being able to armor through pokes and gaps. Once the Quan player gets up after the knockdown there's no situation where he can armor through either, which is a very big draw back to his defense.

You're telling me most characters can't armor break?Wat?Even erron black can armor break, jax can armor break, liu can armor break, sonya can armor break etc. Just because Quan can go through what he does a million times better than his opponent doesn't mean he has a huge drawback to his defense.

 

[SylverRye]

We'll see what happens, but if Warlock gets a big nerf because people can't deal with Summoner that is garbage. Apparently a lot of people still have not figured out the holes in Quan's game.

Or people arent robots and cant use one frame to block an overhead and low that can hit near the exact same time or be altered to hit in many different ways, leading back up to the same situation.

 

[WiseM0nkey]

if this is all true, and quans mb rune really ends up being -1, im jumping ship. spend a bar to be -1? on a character that doesnt have any other means of maintaining advantage outside of summoners bat? GTFO!!!

oh nooooooo, spend a bar to make my 50/50s mixups safe, launching for full combo.... sooo not worth it .

listen, why should he have the advantage after i block his 50/50 correctly? so you can throw out another 50/50? wtf dude...

pretty much he's left with a much less potent offense, a zoning game that will get even less respect due to his mb being -1, and still amazingly shitty defence once you get in vs him or when he's knocked down.

if this is legit, yeah he's pretty dead.

yeah he has shitty defence.... besides a godly NJP, a 6f d1, a 6f jip 1, a bdash that's better then some walk speeds, and a nice meaty d2.

if defence = armour for you, i suggest you to open your mind

 

[BlackJackSnack]

I agree with the sky drop for sure, that thing whiffs all the time

 

[Goat-City]

There is so much wrong in this post . I won't bother to argue with any of you anymore. It's pretty clear from the nerf that paulo shares my opinion not yours.

Dude, why are you putting spaces before periods? You're not even consistent with it lol, I'm very curious. No one's ever disputed nor claimed to care about Paulo's opinion, so all you're telling me is that you don't feel like arguing anymore and that's fine, means less work for me.

 

[WiseM0nkey]

And +2 is comparable to +14? Come on.

it is when your 9f armour breaking mid becomes 7f

 

[Invincible Salads]

oh nooooooo, spend a bar to make my 50/50s mixups safe, launching for full combo.... sooo not worth it .

listen, why should he have the advantage after i block his 50/50 correctly? so you can throw out another 50/50? wtf dude...



yeah he has shitty defence.... besides a godly NJP, a 6f d1, a 6f jip 1, a bdash that's better then some walk speeds, and a nice meaty d2.

if defence = armour for you, i suggest you to open your mind

no, his defence = gotta hold the block button all damn day and hope i don't get launched because my d1 on hit followup will just get armored.

 

[countrypistol]

no, his defence = gotta hold the block button all damn day and hope i don't get launched because my d1 on hit followup will just get armored.

You can back dash gaps in strings and punish too.

 

[WiseM0nkey]

no, his defence = gotta hold the block button all damn day and hope i don't get launched because my d1 on hit followup will just get armored.

seriously, did you ever thought about doing something else after a d1 on hit? like bdash, jump away, or simply bait armour if they're going for it? again, open your mind

 

[ienjoywinning]

If his ex rune is going to be -1 then he should have no cooldown on his bat

 

[ienjoywinning]

seriously, did you ever thought about doing something else after a d1 on hit? like bdash, jump away, or simply bait armour if they're going for it? again, open your mind

So i have to keep defending when i succeed in landing a hit ? You obviously need to open your mind and get out of this fourm because you dont know anything about the character , it says enough when you thought that timing changes when doing blockstrings if you have a faster reversal/ slower.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

seriously, did you ever thought about doing something else after a d1 on hit? like bdash, jump away, or simply bait armour if they're going for it? again, open your mind

The point he's trying to make is that he's still guessing after his d1 hits. It doesn't stop any pressure, the opponent still has the advantage