Question - Summoner Is this character overly downplayed?

[DreadKnight1]

People who say his bad defense and no wakeup are not enough to make him fair clearly dont know what they are talking about. In this game where rushdown dominates , corner game is super strong and almost everyone have armor its major weakness. For example when liu kang just touches quan hes dead. And you have jax tanya predator lao dvorah cassie sonya cage kotal erron and list goes on and on ... every character from that list if he gets quan in corner its like block infinite for him :v Now you say , yeah but he can keep them out with zoning . Not rly , they all can aromor through it easly or teleport ( only kotal cant )

So it's all fair that he has the 1 touch death factor because others have the 1 touch death factor against him? 1.this is ridiculous because there shouldn't be any 1 touch death factors in mkx,it's broken and eliminates a players ability to play the game. 2.cmon seriously how can anyone say a pseudo-unblock able like b2/low bat is fair? Takeda and goro are shitty ass characters but if they had unblockables that looped they'd be just as broken.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

His 1 touch death factor is a lot more real on his offense than on his defense. If Summoner gets knocked down he doesn't have 1-2 frame overhead/low 50/50 block links off flexible timing to deal with. He still has a very solid chance to turn the match back his way against the majority of the cast even after a connect, the same cannot be said in return.

 

[llabslb]

Here's the thing about the bat mixups, when talking about whether a character is "broken" or not, you need to completely take out execution. This means on both sides. No matter how difficult it is to execute or block, at the end of the day someone is going to get perfect at both.

Therefore when you look at it this way, is it any different to a 50/50? Overhead then low or low, overhead. Are all safe 50/50s broken? I personally believe they're complete ballshit, but in the context of MKX where so many characters can make they're 50/50s safe and plus I don't think it's too much of a big deal.

How Quan works is if he touches you once you're probably dead. This is why you need to counterpick him with a character with strong oki, if you do Quan's in the exact same position as you. If you can't block the vortex it's basically who gets the first hit wins, if you can block it then it comes down to basically a 50/50, which you can do to Quan too.

Verdict: Quan is not OP or "broken", he has very defined strengths, weaknesses and good and bad matchups just like every other character.

Edit: Forgot to add this, if you're gonna do anything then just remove the pseudo-unblockables, that's it. Increase the in-game unblockable protection to cover 5 frames or something instead of just 1 frame, this would also stop Pred and any other silly situations future DLC characters have.

 

[DreadKnight1]

Can summoner players tell me how much of this is nerfed?

I believe he can't get the bat out in time for some of these combos but what about damage?hit confirm capability off the full screen MB rune or b2close rune into low bat to get a meterless safe conversion off b2?

 

[ienjoywinning]

The low bat and overhead is broken and can be mixed up. The chance of blocking it with these two factors in place simply means it is very difficult to block, left to chance and you have to correctly predict if it's the low or overhead first. Something like this should not be in the game and is clearly broken.

Quan players have an excuse that quan would be dead if his vortex was taken away. No, the vortex is broken simple as. Want a wakeup? Use Warlock.

His vortex isn't broken.

 

[Solignac]

If I'm fighting someone like D'Vorah or Lao, I'm more worried about actually landing a string or special into trance first before I start worrying about how overpowered my mixup is.

It's like trying to catch a mosquito while skydiving.

And you're skydiving through layers of molasses.

And the mosquito has a little jetpack.

I don't know what I'm talking about anymore.

 

[GuamoKun]

if you put your head in a sauna and put your legs in a block of ice on average your body will be feeling alright.

 

[Mikemetroid]

Quan isn't downplayed, he does struggle with opening some characters up. This is because if you space yourself correctly quan can only do so much versus you. However Quan is SUPER fucked up once he touches you, even on block. Save that meter to get out of that ex rune nonsense!

 

[Solignac]

Quan isn't downplayed, he does struggle with opening some characters up. This is because if you space yourself correctly quan can only do so much versus you. However Quan is SUPER fucked up once he touches you, even on block. Save that meter to get out of that ex rune nonsense!

Far more intelligent way of putting it.

 

[Kinetic Balding1]

Quan Chi is like that multi billionaire that has control over the world with his money. He owns all the stores in the world, all fast food restaurant companies, every product you can think of, such as phones, TVs, cars, and the companies that made these. He controls what you see on TV and only get one channel that only talks about the mighty Quan Chi. Yes he has all this control. But there are a few weaknesses. He weighs 500 pounds and he can't walk, he is on a wheel chair. (Slow pokes, wakeups) Now mighty Quan has a trusty advisor(bat). Quan issues advertisements all over the world deceiving whoever to come to him.(trance) Once that person has arrived at Quan's,
the advisor (bat) will be summoned at quan's assistance to create two pathways for the vistor(s).(hard to block situation)Both of them are traps. (Pseudo unblockable) There is a slight chance that the visitor may survive, but even if the visitor does, Quan earns money and has the chance to send the visitor to a lower level to repeat the same traps.

 

[buyacushun]

Quan Chi is like that multi billionaire that has control over the world with his money. He owns all the stores in the world, all fast food restaurant companies, every product you can think of, such as phones, TVs, cars, and the companies that made these. He controls what you see on TV and only get one channel that only talks about the mighty Quan Chi. Yes he has all this control. But there are a few weaknesses. He weighs 500 pounds and he can't walk, he is on a wheel chair. (Slow pokes, wakeups) Now mighty Quan has a trusty advisor(bat). Quan issues advertisements all over the world deceiving whoever to come to him.(trance) Once that person has arrived at Quan's,
the advisor (bat) will be summoned at quan's assistance to create two pathways for the vistor(s).(hard to block situation)Both of them are traps. (Pseudo unblockable) There is a slight chance that the visitor may survive, but even if the visitor does, Quan earns money and has the chance to send the visitor to a lower level to repeat the same traps.

I think I understand this. Not sure if I'm going crazy or Quan is so crazy this can make sense.

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

Decrease speed of B2
No more "broke" vortex.

 

[DreadKnight1]

LOL at the poll choices. Completely broken definitely top 5 lol. I guess in order to be a top 5 character in MKX you must be completely broken.

Other way mate, being broken can put you in top 5 but to be top 5 you don't have to be broken, Eg raiden and Lao are great but not broken

 

[Scoot Magee]

Other way wrong mate, being broken can put you in top 5 but to be top 5 you don't have to be broken, Eg raiden and Lao are great but not broken

Broken is a term used very loosely around here.

 

[The_Tile]

#QUFFBUAN

...No... But seriously...

Decrease speed of B2
No more "broke" vortex.

His main footsie tool? Don't be stupid.

Increase the unblockable protection from one frame to like 5 or 6 frames or something. PROBLEM SOLVED PEOPLE, and Quan still basically stays the way he is.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

#QUFFBUAN

...No... But seriously...


His main footsie tool? Don't be stupid.

Increase the unblockable protection from one frame to like 5 or 6 frames or something. PROBLEM SOLVED PEOPLE, and Quan still basically stays the way he is.

I agree. This mentality makes sense to me, I'd love to see this, but maybe a bit more than 5 frames. It's still a 50/50 guess on flexible timing, it doesn't matter if its 5 frames or 1 if you can never learn the timing, Make it a decent amount of frames like around 10 or more that's still pretty tight, and impossible to "learn" and autopilot through you gotta do it on reaction to your opponents timing, but this is ok, and the mix-up should be about everything EXCEPT for the RIDICULOUSLY hard to execute block frame links, hard is ok, it's currently in absurd territory.

 

[The_Tile]

Makes sense to me, I'd love to see this, but a bit more than 5 frames. It's still a 50/50 guess on flexible timing, it doesn't matter if its 5 frames or 1 if you just have to guess the timing, make it a decent amount of frames, the mix-up should be about everything EXCEPT for the super hard to execute block frame links.

Maybe a few more frames would be better but this is definitely the way it needs to be dealt with if they decide to do anything. Then the other characters with hard-to-blockable setups, like Pred or any future DLC characters will be addressed too before any problems even occur.

 

[JDM]

Quan's extremely overrated. Take him into training mode and you can figure his vortex out pretty easily. Most people don't even go for that shit in tournament because of the fear that if they get blocked they get FUCKED. Completely fucked.

Quan is good, but no he's not broken. His defense is extremely weak. Yes, it matters. Knowing you can constantly pressure him on wakeup is a huge problem.

 

[Grs_Haze]

im a quan main since day 1 and a noob,scrub,online warrior but i quess all quan mains are like me cuz ive never met or seen any footage of a quan that always when he touches u youre lifebar is gone also comparing him to cyrax is such bullshit

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

His zoning is better than his vortex and that's how he should be played.Zoning.

 

[Jynks]

If he is this "broken" why can no one win with him or even get 3rd? Can anyone tell me a major where he won?

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

If he is this "broken" why can no one win with him or even get 3rd? Can anyone tell me a major where he won?

Wonderchef won NWM with Summoner however that was before any of the patches where Quan actually WAS top 3 or 5.

 

[llabslb]

Just because a character has broken aspects doesn't guarantee a win or make them invincible.

Something that's broken is a faulty mechanic. Simple.

Actually I take the invicible thing back.

 

[RM NoBrows]

Summoner quan isn't even his best variation. He has great zoning and good unbreakable damage, but people always talk about his "unblockables". I main summoner quan and played multiple summoner quans. That shit is NOT that hard to block. Regardless if its b2 low bat or NJP low bat, Literally 90% of those setups are low OH. And if its OH low its even easier to block. Yes his tools are good in summoner. But he isn't downplayed at all. If anything people upplay this variation too much.

 

[FrankOceansWaifu]

Summoner quan isn't even his best variation. He has great zoning and good unbreakable damage, but people always talk about his "unblockables". I main summoner quan and played multiple summoner quans. That shit is NOT that hard to block. Regardless if its b2 low bat or NJP low bat, Literally 90% of those setups are low OH. And if its OH low its even easier to block. Yes his tools are good in summoner. But he isn't downplayed at all. If anything people upplay this variation too much.

Aayy I played your Sorcerer in ranked yesterday gg