Question - Quan Chi Does Quan Chi really need a true armored wake up attack?

[Rude]

People do realize the scoop is only in Warlock, right?

I feel like people are seeing through the eyes of Summoner.

And yes, he does need an armor attack. There are things in this game...cancel pressure, Stunt Double pressure, string gaps...that can only be armored through.

He needs an armored move for that purpose.

 

[Predannok]

Okay way I see it, armoured wakeup in itself is not a huge threat. It's how it's executed.
With all he has, it needs to be incredibly unsafe and punishable on block and on whiff.
On the other hand I find it fair that if he gets cornered, he'll suffer. Because GOD if he catches somebody. Let's be real, he's good.
I don't see him receiving buffs any soon.

Thats exactly the case with sky crush

 

[Insuperable]

No

 

[Zephyrus]

on warlock yes. On the other variations, no.

 

[protools27]

I compared a character with a strong offense and a vortex with my cahracter with a strong offense and a vortex the main point was HE HAS A WAKEUP even though he has one of the best offenses in the game. And a wakeup beeing fixed is not a need or desire its a fix.

Explain to me other than the usual "he got an unblockable " bullshit why a character with Strong offense can have multiple armored wakeups and one even leading ot a full combo.

While the other who only has one thats is malfunction, should stay crippled in a rushdown 50/50 game eventhough the Wakeup has no other purpose than getting some space.

Your failing to mention quan's great zoning, which black doesn't have. If you feel like black has too many tools there is a erron black forum for you to express how you feel, but his tools have nothing to do with what Quan needs or doesn't need. Quan is fine, as multiple people (wonderchef, dink, Michelangelo, reo, among others) have shown. If you want to play a character that needs there armored moves fixed, play takeda, who shares some of the same weaknesses as Quan, (slow normals, poor wake ups) without any of the strengths (zoning, meter less vortex, etc)

 

[Predannok]

Your failing to mention quan's great zoning, which black doesn't have. If you feel like black has too many tools there is a erron black forum for you to express how you feel, but his tools have nothing to do with what Quan needs or doesn't need. Quan is fine, as multiple people (wonderchef, dink, Michelangelo, reo, among others) have shown. If you want to play a character that needs there armored moves fixed, play takeda, who shares some of the same weaknesses as Quan, (slow normals, poor wake ups) without any of the strengths (zoning, meter less vortex, etc)

As I have said earlier people don't know the matchup 100% yet, everyone with a teleport can completly ignore Quans zoning. Khaotic raptor and zyphox did gud with takeda does that mean he is totally fine? Turnies in the first month don't mean much other than to showcase what the characters are capable of. So far ive yet to see anyone abuse Quan's lack of wakeup and as time passes people will learn the matchup just like how people learned how to deal with Kabal and ull be seening quan getting corner carried and corner raped within 2 wrong guesses cuz he has no other option.

Im not trying to down play Quan by any means he is a strong character but this game is 50/50 town or 25/25/25/25 town, having Characters that can corner carry u with one combo, who u can't backdash against its just not reasonable to not have a "get off me" reversal especially since it leads to nothing.

 

[DevilMaySpy]

So far ive yet to see anyone abuse Quan's lack of wakeup

So you haven't seen the Cage family and Raiden throw out meaties on his wakeups for the simple reason that they can? I saw it multiple times just this weekend at Midwest Championships.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

He said tournaments. Not majors. Plus you used examples of tournaments in attempt to counter his point. Please don't even try to imply quan chi is anything but top 5. Every top player puts him there, AND Reo used him. If Reo uses him lets be real...

What? Why would tournaments be an arguing point over majors? A character gets top 8 at a local so he doesn't need adjustments? When you discuss tournaments you're talking about majors. That's a more accurate representation of how well a character can do

 

[Predannok]

So you haven't seen the Cage family and Raiden throw out meaties on his wakeups for the simple reason that they can? I saw it multiple times just this weekend at Midwest Championships.

And i thaught It would take till evo

 

[Bryck Walle]

Let's be real here. Quan needs no buffs period. His ONLY weakness is when you get close and have him grounded. He can hit you full screen with projectiles for easy 25% or more without throwing out a normal. If he hits you with a normal, prepare to be vortex'd into the ground. If he gets you twice with said vortex that's basically the round. I want to hear no parts of this guy getting any buffs. There shouldn't be buff talk/nerf talk for ANY character until a few more majors happen. His NJP is godly, his mix ups are godly. His trance "while super unsafe" can hit you like Green Lanterns grab anywhere as long as it's in front of him "about half screen or so". Back to his mix ups. He has a low starter, over head starter, Ex Low rune, The bat can hit low, he even has a normal string where the 2nd hit is a low. I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure he has multiple overheads. His damage is ridiculous and you can't armor half the stuff he does to you in the vortex because it rips right through it. Let the game evolve and stop bitching. If you want a better wake up, play a different character because this is how he's meant to be played for now.

 

[Predannok]

I'm not certain but I'm pretty sure he has multiple overheads.

nope its Actually just one. Which tells me u most likely haven't even been in the lab with him.

He has a low starter, over head starter, Ex Low rune, The bat can hit low, he even has a normal string where the 2nd hit is a low.

All of hes Mixup starters are unsafe and every character even takeda can punish them. He has to burn the meter to be safe/+. In fact 90% of hes strings are unsafe ranging from -8 to -14.

His trance "while super unsafe"

The Qoutation marks are not needed its -48, Mb is -68 thats raidens b2 lvl.

If he gets you twice with said vortex that's basically the round

Are u really implying Quan chi gets 50% into a standing reset?

His damage is ridiculous

42% midscreen isnt what i would call ridiculous and nearly everyone gets almost 50% in the corner.

Let the game evolve and stop bitching.

Cuz this isn't a Poll thread...

 

[Bryck Walle]

nope its Actually just one. Which tells me u most likely haven't even been in the lab with him.

All of hes Mixup starters are unsafe and every character even takeda can punish them. He has to burn the meter to be safe/+. In fact 90% of hes strings are unsafe ranging from -8 to -14.


The Qoutation marks are not needed its -48, Mb is -68 thats raidens b2 lvl.

Are u really implying Quan chi gets 50% into a standing reset?



42% midscreen isnt what i would call ridiculous and nearly everyone gets almost 50% in the corner.



Cuz this isn't a Poll thread...

You quoted everything but

"There shouldn't be buff talk/nerf talk for ANY character until a few more majors happen." and "If you want a better wake up, play a different character because this is how he's meant to be played for now." I'm a Johnny player. Don't talk to me about needing stuff.

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

 

[protools27]

Say he needs armored wakeups again I double dare you

Lmao yea he clearly needs it. GTFO

 

[WakeUp DP]

I compared a character with a strong offense and a vortex with my cahracter with a strong offense and a vortex the main point was HE HAS A WAKEUP even though he has one of the best offenses in the game. And a wakeup beeing fixed is not a need or desire its a fix.

Explain to me other than the usual "he got an unblockable " bullshit why a character with Strong offense can have multiple armored wakeups and one even leading ot a full combo.

While the other who only has one thats is malfunction, should stay crippled in a rushdown 50/50 game eventhough the Wakeup has no other purpose than getting some space.

Lmao yea he clearly needs it. GTFO

Why dont you guys post the fight of DJTs Jc vs MichaelAngelos Quan? Or any match vs Raiden? Yeah... Biased much?

 

[protools27]

Why dont you guys post the fight of DJTs Jc vs MichaelAngelos Quan? Or any match vs Raiden? Yeah... Biased much?

No ones biased. I don't know why people keep bringing up any other characters tools in relation to what Quan needs or doesn't need. Quan is a good ass character, it's insane to me that people are seriously asking for buffs to a most likely top 5 character.

 

[RYX]

"look at this video of quan chi using all 3 bars of meter for big damage and tell me he doesn't need something that's totally unrelated to that"

lol

 

[protools27]

"look at this video of quan chi using all 3 bars of meter for big damage and tell me he doesn't need something that's totally unrelated to that"

lol

Hey look at this video of Quan winning or placing top 8 at pretty much every major since release. #buffhimup

 

[RM Truth]

What if Eddie from Guilty Gear had a reversal option? That's basically what some of you people are asking.

 

[Shark Tank]

He should have a mediocre or good wakup option just in the essence of good design. In an overbearing offensive game no options sucks and he'll eat shit all day. Sure his lack of wakeups evens outs his stupid offensive but in a binary way.

Nerf his vortex if you must, I'd trade a half rush down fool character for a decent wakeup and some buffed zoning.

 

[RM Truth]

Also no. He doesn't need a better reversal option. This character already probably has one of the best offenses in the game.

 

[VenomX-90]

No, just full meter.

 

[RYX]

Hey look at this video of Quan winning or placing top 8 at pretty much every major since release. #buffhimup

summoner quan iirc

and this thread is about sorceror so if you wanna argue you should at least differentiate variations

You are just retarded. Theres not other way to put it.

We keep bring up other chars tools because those tools destroy Quan Chi badly, he literally has no answer to any of Raiden, Jc, etcs bullshit.
Why we are asking for a true reversal move, where nothing else works not even backdash.

Again most armored reversals lead to full combos and are barely punishable. We are only asking for a true reversal, it wont combo and can be full combo punishable.

to be fair some people don't have much in the way of options vs you and quan's momentum is absolutely retarded when he gets rolling. having a 50/50 that can repeat into itself on block for frame advantage or just to chip the absolute piss out of you in sorceror is obscene. a zoning heavy character probably shouldn't also have a vortex and expect to have a decent wakeup option if he happens to lose that momentum

if you want a good reversal (besides throw), then something's gonna have to go

 

[protools27]

You are just retarded. Theres not other way to put it.

We keep bring up other chars tools because those tools destroy Quan Chi badly, he literally has no answer to any of Raiden, Jc, etcs bullshit.
Why we are asking for a true reversal move, where nothing else works not even backdash.

Again most armored reversals lead to full combos and are barely punishable. We are only asking for a true reversal, it wont combo and can be full combo punishable.

I'm retarded but Quan has no options lmao. Alright. Cry me a river.

 

[eNARV]

Just give sky drop full armor and change the hitbox on it. It barely hits anything. It's useless as is

This move is sooo damn useless one time i used ex skydrop and as I was coming down I got GRABBED. After that I was so done with that move.