Question - Quan Chi Does Quan Chi really need a true armored wake up attack?

[usedcarsalesmang]

I hope ur not beeing serious cuz... Its been 1 month people are not absuing certain things yet or knowing the match up 100% , otherwise everybody would have armored through wargod sword cancels and Takeda gimmicks. IF Quan doesn't get any wakeup hell get bodied at evo simply becuz the opponent just need one Knockdown and its gameover. Erron black vs Quan chi is The worst HKD everytime then have to guess 25/25/25/25.

well if you put it that way...

summoner quan can kill you once he gets you in trance with near unblockables.

seems fair that he gets killed on knockdown

 

[WakeUp DP]

Right. I just played 6 hours straight with 2 dif players and I destroyed their mains badly with my one week Quan.... Hes good

 

[GAV]

I'd venture and say that he's not "horrible", he just loses quite a bit by not being Summoner. He loses his free 50/50 reset (Costs a bar in Warlock), Zoning changes a bit (F3 is fun, but its no bat) and of course his strings become unsafe without meter usage (Bat makes 'em safe).

I don't know where to place him, but in my opinion Quan in general is very solid. Maybe Warlock is top 10-20?

Well, they normalized Summoner by slowing the re-summon. I've never seen anyone pick Warlock in a tournament. I would like to see Warlock get something to make it a viable choice.

Instead of a useless portal grab, let him make holes in the ground that his opponent can fall through. It could work just like his overhead projectile spacing-wise. Then, make the armored wakeup hit mid - since it isn't viable in exchanges and only serves now as armored wake-up and a combo ender/extender.

This would make this variation very intriguing to top players.

 

[WakeUp DP]

I think people are thinking Summoner but I only use Sourcerer.

I use a very keep away/zoning game and here and there pressure with Final Hex circle for massive chip damage.

His d3 is godlike.

 

[Predannok]

well if you put it that way...

summoner quan can kill you once he gets you in trance with near unblockables.

seems fair that he gets killed on knockdown

ALot of good players have blocked that shit against me online, Its not that hard to block Offline...hes no Cyrax.

 

[ShotgunInsanity]

Why are both answer choices "yes"?

 

[ImmortalSkillit]

Well, they normalized Summoner by slowing the re-summon. I've never seen anyone pick Warlock in a tournament. I would like to see Warlock get something to make it a viable choice.

Instead of a useless portal grab, let him make holes in the ground that his opponent can fall through. It could work just like his overhead projectile spacing-wise. Then, make the armored wakeup hit mid - since it isn't viable in exchanges and only serves now as armored wake-up and a combo ender/extender.

This would make this variation very intriguing to top players.

I think its fine as-is, seeing how En. Portal Grab causes a standing reset. I'm perfectly fine with that, and i'm perfectly fine keeping regular Portal Grab as a fairly unsafe (and unused) mid-full screen meaty. We've got F3 for that, and so long as you don't go full retard with it, its pretty safe. My only real quip with the variation is that in order to pull his dirt off you NEED meter, meter that is also needed for wake up Portal Scoop, breakers, and En. Runes for +%dmg combos. The struggle is real. The struggle is now.

I'll be using him this coming weekend at TCW, hopefully I can snag some stream time, but with as big an event its looking to be, that's not gonna be a guarantee.

 

[WakeUp DP]

Why are both answer choices "yes"?

Because yes is the only answer.
He needs it

 

[Genei Jin]

if quan chi gets a true wake up attack, everyone should be able to summon the bat.

 

[protools27]

I feel like Quan is a fair solid char and he might not need this buff but its just frustrating not being able to wake up and just keep eating pressure on KOs.

Edit: Most chars have reversal moves that combos, he doesn't have any of that, maybe I word it wrong? Maybe what he needs is a true reversal move even if it doesn't combo? Again will be punishable and a bar of meter, does it sound fair?

Fuck no

 

[WakeUp DP]

Fuck no

Mains Cassie Cage lol

 

[protools27]

Mains Cassie Cage lol

Not sure what that has to do with it. That would be like me asking for Cassie buffs. Quan is good in pretty much every other area besides when he's on the ground. IMO the fact that he has no good wake ups is what keeps him somewhat balanced.

 

[tatterbug4]

God forbid a character in this game has a weakness. Arguably the best zoner nonetheless...

Or that vortex thing that kept hitting me

 

[Predannok]

Not sure what that has to do with it. That would be like me asking for Cassie buffs. Quan is good in pretty much every other area besides when he's on the ground. IMO the fact that he has no good wake ups is what keeps him somewhat balanced.

safeish Overhead low *cough* low overhead, spec ops near unblockable OH low/low OH setups *cough*, Hollywood standing reset *cough* and yet she has a wakeup

 

[RYX]

if hes already top 5 without it then no he doesnt need it duh

why did you steal my meme

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

why did you steal my meme

more like improved. you should be thanking me

 

[Genei Jin]

How about making the low bat hit mid and then turning his ex teledrop into a usable armored wake up?

 

[RYX]

more like improved. you should be thanking me

there's only so much a man can do with 1 minute in ms paint

 

[protools27]

safeish Overhead low *cough* low overhead, spec ops near unblockable OH low/low OH setups *cough*, Hollywood standing reset *cough* and yet she has a wakeup

If my pic was of kenshi, would that make my point any different? Quan is good as fuck, no need to be asking for buffs simple as that

 

[Predannok]

If my pic was of kenshi, would that make my point any different? Quan is good as fuck, no need to be asking for buffs simple as that

If Erron Black with 25/25/25/25, vortex, safe 50/50 only some characters can punish, has fucking wakeups that even lead to a combo AND shifts the momentum due to teh HKD then NO its not that simple. A game thats extremely favorable to 50/50 and rushdown a character having no way to get back some space after a knockdown just cause hes good is just nonsense. WHY THE FUCK DOES HE HAS THE ARMOR WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK? If they didnt wanted to give him a wakeup he wouldn't have it period.

 

[Predannok]

What do you people think will happen when quans Sky Crush actually works?

-He can't summon hes bat without getting punished
-Doesn't lead to a combo
-He can't place hes spell without getting punished
-He just spent one bar to get some space and pushed you 2 character lengths away.

That would make him soo OP i guess...

 

[JDM]

He really doesn't need it, if he has the best offense in the game (imo he does, best zoning and mixups) then he should have some of the worst defense.

Which he does.

 

[GLoRToR]

Okay way I see it, armoured wakeup in itself is not a huge threat. It's how it's executed.
With all he has, it needs to be incredibly unsafe and punishable on block and on whiff.
On the other hand I find it fair that if he gets cornered, he'll suffer. Because GOD if he catches somebody. Let's be real, he's good.
I don't see him receiving buffs any soon.

 

[protools27]

If Erron Black with 25/25/25/25, vortex, safe 50/50 only some characters can punish, has fucking wakeups that even lead to a combo AND shifts the momentum due to teh HKD then NO its not that simple. A game thats extremely favorable to 50/50 and rushdown a character having no way to get back some space after a knockdown just cause hes good is just nonsense. WHY THE FUCK DOES HE HAS THE ARMOR WHEN IT DOESN'T WORK? If they didnt wanted to give him a wakeup he wouldn't have it period.

Why does another characters tools have anything to do with what your character needs. That would be like me saying, well Quan has a plus on block special move that makes people guess another 50/50 even if they guess right the first time, so do you think Cassie's ex gunshots when grounded should hit mid and be plus on block? Because Quan has it. Quan is fine as is. Get good

 

[Predannok]

Why does another characters tools have anything to do with what your character needs. That would be like me saying, well Quan has a plus on block special move that makes people guess another 50/50 even if they guess right the first time, so do you think Cassie's ex gunshots when grounded should hit mid and be plus on block? Because Quan has it. Quan is fine as is. Get good

I compared a character with a strong offense and a vortex with my cahracter with a strong offense and a vortex the main point was HE HAS A WAKEUP even though he has one of the best offenses in the game. And a wakeup beeing fixed is not a need or desire its a fix.

Explain to me other than the usual "he got an unblockable " bullshit why a character with Strong offense can have multiple armored wakeups and one even leading ot a full combo.

While the other who only has one thats is malfunction, should stay crippled in a rushdown 50/50 game eventhough the Wakeup has no other purpose than getting some space.