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Northwest Majors MKX Hype, Updates and top 8!

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Roughly he checked in really early for his MKX pool and when he went to check the status of his match he found out he'd been DQ'd to losers.
I'd like an explanation from both sides cause right now that sounds awful/completely not his fault
 
I'm in awe with the apparent fact that fighting game tournament organisers didn't anticipate so many registrations for a new release of best known fighting game of all time.

This is sub-par.
you aren't as familiar with the US scene so i'll cut you some slack here

here's the deal. some majors around the US rely on one game or one style of game as their main calling card in order to stand out from the rest. it gives you a more distinctive reputation if you can be THE tourney for a particular game. examples:

Final Round: Tekken
Northwest Majors: Anime, particularly the more niche anime games
NEC: all the "poverty" games during the dark days (Melty, Arcana Heart, MK, DOA)
UFGT: Mystery Tournament
Season's Beatings: Marvel 2 during that game's peak

so you have situations like this sometimes, and they aren't unique to this particular tournament. the past couple Final Rounds have gotten a TON of complaints from viewers due to the amount of time Tekken got on the main stream. it's way out of whack with the game's numbers and probably suboptimal from a business standpoint, but Tekken has long been FR's core identity and it has a higher level of play there than anywhere else outside of Evo or the US. they want to keep it that way, stream monsters be damned.

having been there for tournament, i can safely say that the Pacific Northwest is the most anime-heavy FG scene in America. particularly in terms of the love for non-Evo-material anime games like Skullgirls and UNIEL, only the Midwest comes anywhere close. Northwest Majors is also by far the smallest tournament that anyone considers a "major", and frankly it tends to feature a much lower level of play for Capcom & NRS games. NRS in particular had NEVER drawn good numbers there IIRC - Skullgirls this year had more players than i think MK9 or Inj ever had there!

so there was plenty of past history to suggest MKX wouldn't be this big, and there was also a desire to feature the tournament's "signature" games. the idea is that the tournament comes off best by showcasing the games with the highest level of play relative to other majors, and for NWM that's Skullgirls and UNIEL. they could have perhaps done a better job forecasting MKX's popularity, but i think this was reasonable. this is something other majors need to learn from more than a blowup for them, i think.

so yes, i'm not angry about this at all. i totally get why yall are still paranoid about MK's status within the scene, but i think it's time to stop worrying about a return to the dark days. this community is daniel bryan at this point - you'll always have your fans and a better spot than most, even if you get "buried" here and there.
 

SneakyTortoise

Official Master of Salt
Roughly he checked in really early for his MKX pool and when he went to check the status of his match he found out he'd been DQ'd to losers.
I don't understand, was he not in there area when they called his match or something? Like did he go away somewhere after checking in?
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
you aren't as familiar with the US scene so i'll cut you some slack here

here's the deal. some majors around the US rely on one game or one style of game as their main calling card in order to stand out from the rest. it gives you a more distinctive reputation if you can be THE tourney for a particular game. examples:

Final Round: Tekken
Northwest Majors: Anime, particularly the more niche anime games
NEC: all the "poverty" games during the dark days (Melty, Arcana Heart, MK, DOA)
UFGT: Mystery Tournament
Season's Beatings: Marvel 2 during that game's peak

so you have situations like this sometimes, and they aren't unique to this particular tournament. the past couple Final Rounds have gotten a TON of complaints from viewers due to the amount of time Tekken got on the main stream. it's way out of whack with the game's numbers and probably suboptimal from a business standpoint, but Tekken has long been FR's core identity and it has a higher level of play there than anywhere else outside of Evo or the US. they want to keep it that way, stream monsters be damned.

having been there for tournament, i can safely say that the Pacific Northwest is the most anime-heavy FG scene in America. particularly in terms of the love for non-Evo-material anime games like Skullgirls and UNIEL, only the Midwest comes anywhere close. Northwest Majors is also by far the smallest tournament that anyone considers a "major", and frankly it tends to feature a much lower level of play for Capcom & NRS games. NRS in particular had NEVER drawn good numbers there IIRC - Skullgirls this year had more players than i think MK9 or Inj ever had there!

so there was plenty of past history to suggest MKX wouldn't be this big, and there was also a desire to feature the tournament's "signature" games. the idea is that the tournament comes off best by showcasing the games with the highest level of play relative to other majors, and for NWM that's Skullgirls and UNIEL. they could have perhaps done a better job forecasting MKX's popularity, but i think this was reasonable. this is something other majors need to learn from more than a blowup for them, i think.

so yes, i'm not angry about this at all. i totally get why yall are still paranoid about MK's status within the scene, but i think it's time to stop worrying about a return to the dark days. this community is daniel bryan at this point - you'll always have your fans and a better spot than most, even if you get "buried" here and there.
I appreciate the info but that is still not an excuse.

2 weeks after the game was released the TOs have not done their research on THE next-gen fighting game's release.

You have a scenario where -

Game X
Game Y
Skullgirls
MKX

In your position, you give Skullgirls a +1 considering it's your dedicated fighting game type.

You must also give MKX a +1 because it's the next brand new and hot fighting game.

I understand you can't put it on equal grounds yet, but you can cram up games X and Y for totally understandable reasons.
 

Compbros

Man of Tomorrow
I don't understand, was he not in there area when they called his match or something? Like did he go away somewhere after checking in?

No clue, only going by the limited information he gave. It sounded more like they never got him checking in so they DQ'd him even though he did a while ago. My best guess is that it was about 15-20 minutes before the pool started and someone said "check in with me over here for pool X" and he wasn't there even though he checked in, say, 45 minutes before his pool. This is just my guess mind you.
 
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I appreciate the info but that is still not an excuse.

2 weeks after the game was released the TOs have not done their research on THE next-gen fighting game's release.

You have a scenario where -

Game X
Game Y
Skullgirls
MKX

In your position, you give Skullgirls a +1 considering it's your dedicated fighting game type.

You must also give MKX a +1 because it's the next brand new and hot fighting game.

I understand you can't put it on equal grounds yet, but you can cram up games X and Y for totally understandable reasons.
i can see this, but past history likely played a role here. again, NRS couldn't draw flies there in the past when MK9 and IGAU were "hot new games". before it came out, many in the scene figured MKX wouldn't be any bigger than those, and even now there's still a lot of skepticism over its long-term staying power.

it would be inexcusable if multiple majors in a row got far bigger numbers than planned for MKX, but you don't have a lot to go by when you're the first. i think using history as your main guide is a more solid process than anything else, generally.
 
there's no point in advertising your tourny as a major when you're streaming a bunch of games noone cares about.
there is a point if you actually RUN games people care about. seriously, yall forget that the stream is secondary to the live event.

also, more people care about skullgirls now than ever before, it seems. as i said before on here, that game's been having a revival recently - likely due to people getting tired of marvel 3. the viewers may not care, but more players do and that deserves to be rewarded. players showing passion for a game and traveling is far more important than the feelings of viewers IMO, since the latter are fickle anyway.

you know how often people here say NRS shouldn't balance the game for the casual audience because they won't stick around in the long run anyway? that's also how i feel about catering to stream viewers over players. we of all scenes should know this, considering that our games have always been some of the biggest punching bags for twitch viewers...
 

STB Shujinkydink

Burning down in flames for kicks
I'd like an explanation from both sides cause right now that sounds awful/completely not his fault
I'll take the blame for that. He never checked in with me for his pool. We held up the bracket for half an hour waiting For him. I paged him 4 times, the last with a 5 minute DQ warning. Then I sent him to losers. We only had a certain amount of stream time and I needed to make sure we utilized it. And as you can see I failed. I ran all 3 pools with only one other person. We had 90 entrants with two people and new system problems to deal with. I had to do what I thought was best in the moment. I have a lot to say about NWM but right now I'm gonna enjoy my reward for my hard work and have some fun on stage
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
I'll take the blame for that. He never checked in with me for his pool. We held up the bracket for half an hour waiting For him. I paged him 4 times, the last with a 5 minute DQ warning. Then I sent him to losers. We only had a certain amount of stream time and I needed to make sure we utilized it. And as you can see I failed. I ran all 3 pools with only one other person. We had 90 entrants with two people and new system problems to deal with. I had to do what I thought was best in the moment. I have a lot to say about NWM but right now I'm gonna enjoy my reward for my hard work and have some fun on stage
I think you've done an awesome job

Have fun today
 

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
To be honest, this top 8 reeks of foreshadowing to me. This Kung Jin everywhere shit is reminiscent of the anti-hype that Injustice went through pre-patch when there was nothing but Superman everywhere.

I know it's a bit premature to draw that comparison just yet still, but I'm wary of how fast the hype for this game would fade if Kung Jin makes up half the top 8 at its first Evo.
 

Varion

Noob
To be honest, this top 8 reeks of foreshadowing to me. This Kung Jin everywhere shit is reminiscent of the anti-hype that Injustice went through pre-patch when there was nothing but Superman everywhere.

I know it's a bit premature to draw that comparison just yet still, but I'm wary of how fast the hype for this game would fade if Kung Jin makes up half the top 8 at its first Evo.
As a Jin player, I do hope not many ppl are using him...

Unfortunately jin is KING
 

ChatterBox

Searching for an alt.
To be honest, this top 8 reeks of foreshadowing to me. This Kung Jin everywhere shit is reminiscent of the anti-hype that Injustice went through pre-patch when there was nothing but Superman everywhere.

I know it's a bit premature to draw that comparison just yet still, but I'm wary of how fast the hype for this game would fade if Kung Jin makes up half the top 8 at its first Evo.
The game has been out two weeks. To me the KJ situation feels like green lantern the first month of injustice, yolo lifters won everything. People will learn, stop tolling the bell at the first major. It's by far the easierst character to pick up and play, the same reason why there were TWO Kung Jin at fatal 8, out of the whole roster two people still noticed how easy his bnbs were. Why has everyone decided the best way to help this game is to complain on tym? Go learn how to beat KJ and help the whole scene out.
 
I agree w this

If u want the FGC to grow then streams/productions need to aspire to be as great as sport productions for any live sport
generally i agree. but i don't believe in doing this at the EXPENSE of the players who show commitment, and don't think you necessarily have to do that.

when push comes to shove, trying to keep the tourney on schedule > stream. building a reputation with a particular community > stream. NWM has potential to grow their numbers in the future by being seen as a place where anime will get top treatment. some of those games may not get the viewers, but they have potential to translate into live turnout.

and there's more money in that. what people here don't realize is that unless you're at League of Legends-level popularity or you stream 8+ hours a day, Twitch is just not all that viable of a moneymaking platform yet. videogame streaming is still a niche of a niche in the grand scheme of things, and it can't even begin to touch stuff that's considered advertiser poison in the TV world. even someone like Spooky who works tons of majors doesn't exactly have an easy time getting by financially, so i don't see there being a ton of value for a smaller major with its own local streams.

tl;dr - in the long term Pig et al. could be right, but we aren't even close to that world yet. for the foreseeable future, there's more money in appealing to players & sponsors than to Twitch viewers.