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Exactly what I thought. They are killing the top tiers and putting other chars up there...So is NRS balancing this game or just shuffling tier list with these updates?
Exactly what I thought. They are killing the top tiers and putting other chars up there...So is NRS balancing this game or just shuffling tier list with these updates?
How does that thread discredit this though:That's fucking a month before the game was released when nobody had even played the characters yet LOL you really gonna take that as the communities response to a character while deliberately ignoring all the stuff from days before release / first couple weeks of release? I guess when you're that wrong you really gotta grasp at straws huh
Because it was directly in response to me saying he was considered OP "at release" lolHow does that thread discredit this though:
"IIRC, people thought he was going to be shit and lame before the game came out, which turned out to be false."
The point is that the communities perception was mistaken so I don't want to see people posting in here arguing incessantly with other people over opinions when anyone could be wrong and we likely all willI still don't even understand what you were trying to get at with that OP. Kung Jin WAS considered top 5 at the time, esp. when no one really knew the MU against him. Then he got nerfed a month post-release and people learned to fight him. Characters like that naturally fall off of tier lists.
I really don't believe the community was all that mistaken with its assessment of prepatch Jin since characters like Lao hadn't gotten buffed to top tier status yet and Tanya, Tremor, and Predator hadn't been released yet.The point is that the communities perception was mistaken so I don't want to see people posting in here arguing incessantly with other people over opinions when anyone could be wrong and we likely all will
screw it, even if im wrong with that example. the point is that it's all speculation at this point and could be wrong, so let's not shit on peoples deliberately speculatory opinionsI really don't believe the community was all that mistaken with its assessment of prepatch Jin since characters like Lao hadn't gotten buffed to top tier status yet and Tanya, Tremor, and Predator hadn't been released yet.
But if that's how you see it, then I'll respect that.
Can meter burn Fera toss for a full combo full screenSomeone please explain to me what happened to F/T that makes him godlike now please?
If they wouldn't have nerf ed him he would have been top 5Selective memory?
It's hard to be a revisionist when it's all still there in writing.
Here's the Kung Jin pre-release thread where Pig of the Hut and many others are saying he's top 5:
http://testyourmight.com/threads/old-kung-jin-pre-release-general-discussion-thread.48607/
here is a few of threads within two weeks of release date, filled with KJ salt:
http://testyourmight.com/threads/hey-guys-kung-jin-can-stuff-wake-up-armor-lolol.50877/
http://testyourmight.com/threads/does-anyone-else-see-kung-jin-as-the-wesker-of-mortal-kombat.51081/
http://testyourmight.com/threads/kung-jin-vortex.50808/ <<< this ones my favourite, people complaining about how OP Ancestral is
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F2, B1= 50/50Wait,explain now please.where are the safe 50/50?
he will definitely be top 20 but i doubt he will be that strong, but we really can't tell until we let him rid for a few weeks.What's up with all these "Ferra/Torr top 1" Lists?Torr couldn't have been buffed that much.
Ruthless got lots of "little" buffs like making their hard knockdown cancellable and the ability to combo into grab on top of the big buff which was the EX tosses and those little ones will add up. They probably wont be broke but they will be damn damn good. The bandwagon players will only focus on the big stuff, but to people like me or Bio or the other FTs that have been playing them since day one with a years worth of expierience with the character and view the entire game from their perspective those little changes will seem huge since we already know about all the unique situations where they make a big differencehe will definitely be top 20 but i doubt he will be that strong, but we really can't tell until we let him rid for a few weeks.
Heeeeeere we go...How is Sub-Zero top 5? he is not even top 10.
He isn't very good in neutral, can't freeze twice in single combo whereas other characters perform same move multiple times in single combo which gives them free hit, juggle or at the very least leaves opponent standing.
Any one with extended reach, AOE attack and fast projectile can get rid of clone very easily and sub-zero has to wait to put out clone again.
some combos don't work against female characters because of their hit-box
He has very limited move-set, you don't have to worry about multiple wakeup options, just block low when sub-zero is down or continue the pressure.
Lmao.How is Sub-Zero top 5? he is not even top 10.
He isn't very good in neutral, can't freeze twice in single combo whereas other characters perform same move multiple times in single combo which gives them free hit, juggle or at the very least leaves opponent standing.
Any one with extended reach, AOE attack and fast projectile can get rid of clone very easily and sub-zero has to wait to put out clone again.
some combos don't work against female characters because of their hit-box
He has very limited move-set, you don't have to worry about multiple wakeup options, just block low when sub-zero is down or continue the pressure.
He was pre-patch.Lmao.
He is a neutral meta breaker.
Clone doesn't give him ridiculous advantage, all it does is slow down the match and what is sub-zero without a clone? what about the characters who can poke through clone, even if you block clone disappears. You can't even push characters into clone while they are blocking and clone is supposed be unblockable.His clone controls the match against most characters.
Normal version has slow startup, your opponent can stop you and full combo punish if you try it from close range and full screen you eat projectile while your opponent recovers quick enough to black your chip-less projectile. En-iceball would be useful if you can put the clone out while your opponent is frozen.His ice ball/EX ice ball trade heavily in his favor against any projectile.
Everyone does.He has 50/50's
He had Pre-patchHe has the best corner game
everyone doesHe has good pokes
Block low and you get to punish any wakeup attempt.He has wake-ups
Not even cryo.He has ridiculous jump-ins
only a scrub like me wouldn't punish it.The recovery on that slide is pretty dumb
Turns out it was false news.His combos now work against females as well. But he defeats most of the female characters, I don't get why people bitched so much about him not being to do his combos against them. Ugh.
No no no no noThe "just block low when Sub-Zero is down or continue the pressure" is absurd. The same can be said about every character. Wake-ups work as mindgames for everyone.
Only on TYM GM Subzero is top 10, cryp isn't even top 45 and unbreakable is strong contender for worst variation in this game.He was potentialy top 10 pre-beta, he didn't get big nerfs and he got a buff. now he is without a doubt top 10 IMO. maybe even top 5 depending on the final patch.