Guide - Scorpion Scorpion 1.12

[ILuvFightGames]

Never really thought about it to be honest but I suppose I just do the follow up neutral.

Yea I was thinking it just comes naturally, thanks man.

 

[Eddy Wang]

Hey guys, Scorpion has changed A LOT from MKX to MK XL he has a lot to work with now, i'm still trying to get used through the changes.

Also giving you guys the heads up, B1 was nerfed, it was 10 frames mid, now is 11.

Pretty sure this was made intentional since s3 is now 7 frames.

 

[STRYKIE]

Hey guys, Scorpion has changed A LOT from MKX to MK XL he has a lot to work with now, i'm still trying to get used through the changes.

Also giving you guys the heads up, B1 was nerfed, it was 10 frames mid, now is 11.

Pretty sure this was made intentional since s3 is now 7 frames.

I think you're a bit rusty my friend, B1 was always 11 frames lol

 

[XZXGLAXZX]

I think you're a bit rusty my friend, B1 was always 11 frames lol

Ok so now let's talk about his FBC pressure? What do you guys suggest?

 

[XZXGLAXZX]

Since his 214 has a gap and 2,1~FBC~21 doesn't jail and you can poke out.. what do we do?

 

[XZXGLAXZX]

I think you're a bit rusty my friend, B1 was always 11 frames lol

Because I've ran into some problem especially with characters who have good back dashes... I can't find any options for Shinnok or Sub zero because they back dash out of the cancel pressure completely. This sucks.... I think the 214 gap ruined scorpions cancel pressure and he was better before. 2,1~FBC~B12 seems like his only option to catch people from back dashing... but like I said it doesn't work against characters with good back dashes so he's fucked

 

[Eddy Wang]

I think you're a bit rusty my friend, B1 was always 11 frames lol

I did borrowed my hard copy for 20 days, it must be this.
My gameplay is indeed rusty as well, i'm having a hard time winning with ninjutsu so far, but there are some things that feels off in the general gameplay, i'm trying to adjust to the changes, but kinda weird when you don't know what has changed at all.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Guys what does "jailing" mean? As in certain moves jail or don't jail?

 

[SonicNinja3532]

Guys what does "jailing" mean? As in certain moves jail or don't jail?

Jailing means a move or string that links into another string without gaps. Liu Kang's f213 is an prime example.

 

[Matix218]

Since his 214 has a gap and 2,1~FBC~21 doesn't jail and you can poke out.. what do we do?

Make a read and cancel into a special if you think they will poke or just block and get your turn back

 

[Matix218]

Because I've ran into some problem especially with characters who have good back dashes... I can't find any options for Shinnok or Sub zero because they back dash out of the cancel pressure completely. This sucks.... I think the 214 gap ruined scorpions cancel pressure and he was better before. 2,1~FBC~B12 seems like his only option to catch people from back dashing... but like I said it doesn't work against characters with good back dashes so he's fucked

If you read backdash cant you just do 21 fbrc and just let the run go (not go into another string immediately) and continue pressure after the backdash since the run will leave you right in their face?

 

[Scoot Magee]

These changes are good but I don't know how he's going to fair again some of these new characters. I'm going to try to put in some the time tonight but I've been consumed with Street Fighter 5.

 

[XZXGLAXZX]

These changes are good but I don't know how he's going to fair again some of these new characters. I'm going to try to put in some the time tonight but I've been consumed with Street Fighter 5.

Hopefully you won't find his new pressure game as annoying as I do

 

[Invincible Salads]

Guys he lost his flame aura armor breaking setups

really? how??

 

[Matix218]

really? how??

Yes this was posted earlier, apparently the unlockable fa ticks dont count as physical hits anymore or something. Tbh I never found those armor breaking setups with hellfire that reliable outside of training mode imo. If you want to shred armor just use ninjutsu, I don't think it is that big of a deal personally

 

[Invincible Salads]

Yes this was posted earlier, apparently the unlockable fa ticks dont count as physical hits anymore or something. Tbh I never found those armor breaking setups with hellfire that reliable outside of training mode imo. If you want to shred armor just use ninjutsu, I don't think it is that big of a deal personally

true, baiting armor in hellfire works just as well anyway.

 

[braandooon]

Because I've ran into some problem especially with characters who have good back dashes... I can't find any options for Shinnok or Sub zero because they back dash out of the cancel pressure completely. This sucks.... I think the 214 gap ruined scorpions cancel pressure and he was better before. 2,1~FBC~B12 seems like his only option to catch people from back dashing... but like I said it doesn't work against characters with good back dashes so he's fucked

If you believe your opponent is going to backdash, do 21, EX-Spear; it'll make them afraid to backdash, or you can take Matix's advice and do 21, FBC, ( Run up the their face when you backdash ) and continue the pressure.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Guys I'm finally able to get hellfire's scorpions 21>spear after the teleport, but I've noticed that if I input the 21 fast it'll always connect with the spear but I get 6 hits of the 214>teleport>21>spear which is 7 hits, but if I kinda do the 21 slowly-ish I get 7 hits, now what do you guys use? The 6 hit combo by doing it fast or the 7 hit one? Does it matter at all? And am I correct in saying that for the 7 hit to connect you have to kinda do the combo slow after the TP?

 

[Eddy Wang]

I'm loving the standing 3, it stops ppl who likes to rush in for a combo or grab, it anti-airs from far ranges, and even crossups, with it, i'm finally able to punish Kotal F2 on block, and F1b2 more consistenly across the board.
the takedown buff is awesome as well, and the F2 last hit being overhead always condition them to stand block on the second hit, when they're low on life is when they start to get worried. Some others focus a lot on stand to never get to deal with F2, which opens for B3 on correct ranges.

Needs more games.

 

[Matix218]

Guys I'm finally able to get hellfire's scorpions 21>spear after the teleport, but I've noticed that if I input the 21 fast it'll always connect with the spear but I get 6 hits of the 214>teleport>21>spear which is 7 hits, but if I kinda do the 21 slowly-ish I get 7 hits, now what do you guys use? The 6 hit combo by doing it fast or the 7 hit one? Does it matter at all? And am I correct in saying that for the 7 hit to connect you have to kinda do the combo slow after the TP?

Ive had that happen online before even with the new netcode where it seems like it drops one of the inputs of you do it fast, I generally try to do the full thing but sometimes online that just happens, no biggie though as long as the spear hits

 

[Matix218]

I'm loving the standing 3, it stops ppl who likes to rush in for a combo or grab, it anti-airs from far ranges, and even crossups, with it, i'm finally able to punish Kotal F2 on block, and F1b2 more consistenly across the board.
the takedown buff is awesome as well, and the F2 last hit being overhead always condition them to stand block on the second hit, when they're low on life is when they start to get worried. Some others focus a lot on stand to never get to deal with F2, which opens for B3 on correct ranges.

Needs more games.

IMO standing 3 was actually the biggest buff, its awesome

 

[yzzerdd]

Just played a pretty solid Cyber Sub using hellfire, and I'm thinking ninjutsu is the best choice for that matchup. Sub has a lot of pushback on a blocked divekick and I couldn't find a good punish off the top of my head during the match. Ninjutsu b2 would easily catch him.

 

[Eddy Wang]

The new purpose of standing 3 is pretty great, it just like ibuki cr.mp on SF4, the Scorpion's s3 fills the same purpose, it whiff punishes, it keeps them out, is really fast, and has a decent pushback to set a f2 or b2 in ninjutsu.

 

[Matix218]

Just played a pretty solid Cyber Sub using hellfire, and I'm thinking ninjutsu is the best choice for that matchup. Sub has a lot of pushback on a blocked divekick and I couldn't find a good punish off the top of my head during the match. Ninjutsu b2 would easily catch him.

Is that divekick even punishable? I don't have the character yet so I can't check but I have heard people say it is safe. Hopefully it is not safe but I'm not sure

 

[yzzerdd]

Bruhh if it's safe... lol. I'm getting kp2 today, so definitely gotta test that and some other things (looking at you, Smoke).