General/Other - Cybernetic Kano's Cybernetic Variation Discussion Thread

[cyke_out]

So the b23, 1+3 string leaves them standing and you at advantage...buuuuuut Kano has no overhead starter, meaning he has no 50/50 mixup (other than throw), so what is the point of giving him a standing reset?

Unless in the corner, it leaves them too far away for you to do any sort of mix up. I just follow it up with knife at mid screen.

His mix up game is weak.

#buffkano

 

[UltraDavid]

Seems to me b23-1+3 is more about just being safe on block, right? It's a way to make your half screen b2 starter string safe. I'm trying to get used to hit confirming the b23 into 2+4 on hit and 1+3 on block, success rate of maybe half right now but if I can do that regularly then yay. If not, oh well, just poke with the safe version and use the 2+4 ender in punishes/whiff punishes and against characters who can't do anything about midrange -7 situations.

 

[SaltShaker]

Seems to me b23-1+3 is more about just being safe on block, right? It's a way to make your half screen b2 starter string safe. I'm trying to get used to hit confirming the b23 into 2+4 on hit and 1+3 on block, success rate of maybe half right now but if I can do that regularly then yay. If not, oh well, just poke with the safe version and use the 2+4 ender in punishes/whiff punishes and against characters who can't do anything about midrange -7 situations.

Yea it's better to hit confirm. B23 is one of the easier strings to hit confirm so with practice it'll be nothing to do so after a while. I'm at about 70% right now. Sometimes at fast paced moments Im not up to speed on the confirm, but that comes with time.

 

[SiThG0D]

Nice combo vids TeaBag, I've been having some trouble coming up with combos for Kano in cybernetic, This is the one I've been using online so far, I'm about to try yours out later tonight for sure.

 

[The Ultimate]

Nice combo vids TeaBag, I've been having some trouble coming up with combos for Kano in cybernetic, This is the one I've been using online so far, I'm about to try yours out later tonight for sure.

To put an addendum on the combo you posted, after hitting the b2,3 2+4 meter burn, you can dash almost immediately after landing the meter burned 2+4, no need to walk up; makes hitting the NJ2 much easier, and you're closer to the opponent.

 

[Youphemism]

SUPER SWAG 2 BAR FULL SCREEN CONVERSION

DF2EX, run cancel~B232+4MB, dash, NJP, B231+3

 

[ando1184]

I noticed you guys posted that b23,1+3 safe? Well the frame data is wrong and bc of the pushback on b23, 2+4, It's actually safe and better for pressure. I even tested it against lao's MB spin (6f move I believe) and I could block and punish. So I think that's the better option to go off of. Plus we are in d4 and f4 range and you can backdash safely against counter pokes.

 

[SaltShaker]

I noticed you guys posted that b23,1+3 safe? Well the frame data is wrong and bc of the pushback on b23, 2+4, It's actually safe and better for pressure. I even tested it against lao's MB spin (6f move I believe) and I could block and punish. So I think that's the better option to go off of. Plus we are in d4 and f4 range and you can backdash safely against counter pokes.

Yup. I'm gonna update the OP after this weekend with all relevant info and findings. I just wanna play in this tourney first to try some things out in the heat of competition.

Also, bro what, you're playing Kano???

 

[ando1184]

Yup. I'm gonna update the OP after this weekend with all relevant info and findings. I just wanna play in this tourney first to try some things out in the heat of competition.

Also, bro what, you're playing Kano???

Yeh I picked up Kano and I've been really putting in work in his cyber var., trying anyway lol.

 

[Apex Kano]

I made a couple people angry online. Boo woo! Stop throwing knives and fight. Well.. if you going to be dumb and stand full screen versus my Cyber Kano, what am I suppose to do?

Then they want to call me out in the chat room. I'm a supposed spammer it seems. No respect zoners online. I can do Kombos but I using my tools.

 

[cyke_out]

I made a couple people angry online. Boo woo! Stop throwing knives and fight. Well.. if you going to be dumb and stand full screen versus my Cyber Kano, what am I suppose to do?

Then they want to call me out in the chat room. I'm a supposed spammer it seems. No respect zoners online. I can do Kombos but I using my tools.

Dude, take all that as a compliment. You won, they lost. Congrats.

 

[dribirut]

I've been punishing almost full screen stuff with mb knives into b2 combos. Dirty stuff

 

[bdizzle2700]

I've been punishing almost full screen stuff with mb knives into b2 combos. Dirty stuff

Really? You should make like a quick videom I want to see

 

[DaiHuu]

Really? You should make like a quick videom I want to see

 

[Gengar]

are you recording this on pc? what program do you use to record?

 

[_CHINOCUDEIRO_]

Is the frame data correct? I see that b23,1+3 is -1 on hit?? But b13,1+3 is +13 on hit i think. Both seems to have the same stand animation after hit

 

[DaiHuu]

OS Eyeburst that is hella meaty, doesn't come out if blocked or if hit, only loses to xrays, back dashes, delayed wake up, and probably faster wake up options.

 

[Rude]

OS Eyeburst that is hella meaty, doesn't come out if blocked or if hit, only loses to xrays, back dashes, delayed wake up, and probably faster wake up options.

So I'm practicing this, but i can't seem to get the timing down. Could you explain a little more on how to execute this?

 

[DaiHuu]

So I'm practicing this, but i can't seem to get the timing down. Could you explain a little more on how to execute this?

Try inputting ex laser as the knife's ching sound goes off, you'll know you're doing it right when Kano goes immediately to block instead of trying to laser. Alternatively be sure you're taking a small step forward to help get the timing down. Try watching the video at 0.5 to see the input.

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

How are they gonna give him "straight laser" and up laser but no low laser?! Heh needz iht RIP Zod Kappa

 

[countrypistol]

How are they gonna give him "straight laser" and up laser but no low laser?! Heh needz iht RIP Zod Kappa

Kano doesn't seem to have a very strong low game in Cyber. d3 is fast but slow recovery, d4 is naff and b3 has good range, but slow recovery and is easily punished... and that's about it outside of his 312, which is better on wake up, and easily blocked.

It seems that most of his options can be met with a simple low block. How are people handling this outside of throw range? Is the idea to maintain chip pressure?

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Higher damage Bnb

Jip 112 db1 b23 2+4 mb nj b1 b1 b23 1+3 = 37% 1 bar

Anything ending in his b1 or b2 1+3 ended is way more than + 1 FYI. They can't jump a b2 follow up. It's at least +10

In the corner try it and then follow up with f4 (10 frames) with cpu on neutral jump. This is unless f4 is less than 10 frames.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

You can do one b1 for 1% less

 

[SaltShaker]

You can do one b1 for 1% less

This. I do one B1 for 1% less but easier execution.

Also correct, no way it's 1+3 is +1. B2 or a knife throw always catches them if they try to attack out of it.

Are you coming to the Cyber side or just exploring him?

 

[xXstealthflameXx]

Anyone have any really good corner combos? I've basically just been doing the same midscreen combo since it works in the corner.