ando1184
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please give specific examples because I still don't know what you're talking about
please give specific examples because I still don't know what you're talking about
Throww invul is an extremely common mechanic in fighting games. Azreal's 5D is an example of a throw invul attack in BlazBlue, Ky's 6K in GG is throw invul, Kage's BP is a VF example ETC.
Well I come from a Tekken and Soul Calibur background and and in those games throws normally have priority so that makes more sense to me. Even playing Street Fighter and MVC, or even KOF games I don't remember any throw immunity except supers and armored moves. These new anime fighters that are popping up left and right I don't play, nor have any familiarity with and VF it kind of makes sense since that game revolves around the characters having points of collision from their attacks over a general hitbox like in all the other fighters. So I can understand a character in VF moving their body out of grab range while doing an attack to make it whiff but on a 2 dimentional platform it shouldn't happen. Call me Old School then I guess, but character specific throw immunity off of a normal that has no armor or special properties what so ever still looks like poor programming and unintentional.
Which makes sense because it's the character's niche. This same thing can be said about the grapplers in the tekken series.
Throw immunity has been in since games like Fatal Fury Special -_-
Command throws still lose throw invul moves even in SF -_-
Who had command throws in the Fatal Fury games?
It pisses me off how erron has so many tick throw options when the actual grappler characters have a mere few
I think it must be taken into account that Almost none of Kano's tick setups(if any) can be backdashed out of with player timing. You can set the AI to backdash, but the AI is better than us mere mortals.
Yeah, there are throw invulnerable moves but overall command grabs are higher priority and more of a threat. I ain't really too mad at a few throw invulnerable moves in this game. As long as it's consistent I'll adapt.
Big Bear, Jubei, Krauser off the top of my head in Fatal Fury Special.
I'm saying I'm against it. if it was a universal mechanic targeted towards being a throw immune mechanic then yeah I can see it being ok. But random strings per character making a MB command throw whiff and being throw immune I have an issue with and think it needs to be fixed.
im im 99% sure they will say this was intended to not look incompetent just like with the breathning
My god that would be so fucking satisfying
Case in point? What the hell are you going on about? Lol calm down, grab immunity is not "bad programming". Just because something doesn't work the way you want doesn't make something "bad programming". Grab immunity is a common thing in almost all fighting games to my knowledge, look at Grundy in Injustice for example.
Grundy is a bad example. If you read what I was "going on about" you'd see I asked for examples "not" from NRS games. Yes, I look at throw immunity in "This" game as bad programming because it's not a universal way of doing it. If it was (like b3's in injustice), then at least that would be more acceptable/believable. I'm glad you noticed that someone already commented on my opinion and you agree with them, but in the future please don't quote me because you feel left out of the conversation.Case in point? What the hell are you going on about? Lol calm down, grab immunity is not "bad programming". Just because something doesn't work the way you want doesn't make something "bad programming". Grab immunity is a common thing in almost all fighting games to my knowledge, look at Grundy in Injustice for example.
But it looks like haketh answered your question better than I could've
How is Grundy a bad example? His grabs could be avoided with throw immune moves, including character specific ones, just like how Kanos command grabs can be avoided with throw immune moves whether universal or character specific. And if you read what I'd said you'd notice I said "Grab immunity is a common thing in almost all fighting games to my knowledge". There probably are universal throw immune moves that we might not have noticed yet, you never know, but I can see where you're coming from that it's annoying that different characters have different throw immune moves. Unfortunately that's just how the games work and have worked. And boy is that shit reasoning to come to, I replied because you replied to me. I thought that would be obvious but I also thought that about grab immunity in fighting games...
Lol I guess not obvious enough. I don't think Grundy was a good example because he's from another NRS game. I was asking for an out of the box answer and it was answered earlier on. On the subject of Grundy though, b3 could neutralize his attempt at command throwing you, even if it wasn't MB'd. Which was a universal tool amongst the entire cast. You're right in that we haven't seen anything universally yet due to the early lifespan we are still in. But my only gripe is he's a grappler that can't grapple defensively, which if we look at the history of grapple characters, he should be able to do if he spends the resources for it. This isn't a 3d game, so a character that literally has "hands on" the opponent but because the opponent lifted his leg like a dog gettin ready to piss on a fire hydrant, it shouldn't whiff on a 2d plane.
Yeah it's harder to say what universal tools the cast have that could be throw immune because nothing is really universal except throws lol. They could nerf the grab immunity on some stuff but I don't think there's been enough Commando representation in tournament nor enough times grabs have whiffed on streams or anything like that to warrant it being a top priority change unfortunately.
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you, you are getting grabbed no if ands or buts unless you react in time to use a throw break. You aren't going to side step it, low profile it, or combo string it, you're getting grabbed if you try any of that.
I mean it's not like everything beats grabs, there's not THAT much that's throw immune (as far as I know), but I guess it's a way of keeping grabs balanced. I mean having a move that beats out/outprioritizes every other move in the game that isn't armoured? That would sound a little OP and no doubt people would want it nerfed.@ando1184 and I have a harder time grasping this because we come from Tekken. A game where if King
I agree that's how it should be, because how else can a grappler truly be strong unless you uber buff them Bane style? I saw Grundy mentioned a few times. With Raven I could B23 on reaction to make his walking grab whiff and then full combo punish for 40%. Imo those things shouldn't be in the game. I should be grabbed out of that.
I dunno. I guess when you're so used to something working one way you want it in all the games you play. To me, the King/Dragonuv/Marduk etc command grab system of Tekken is perfect. I can't really understand the reasoning as to why strings poking command grabs and combo'ing you is a good thing lol.
They already do like 20% damage, JESUS MAN CALM DOWN. Then again command grabs that hit for more than your combos do...
