Explain to me why this game has safe 50/50s...

[CrazyFingers]

F2 and d4

I mean...yea I guess that's technically a mixup you can use.

 

[IrishMantis]

F2 and d4

LOL no legit player is actually going to call that a true vortex unless they are trying to be a smart ass.

Plus a Vortex does not have to be restand. that's a common misconception of the NRS community

 

[trufenix]

I mean...yea I guess that's technically a mixup you can use.

it's not. You block high every time. f+2 leads to combos and restands and big damage. You get hit by one d+4 you're off the hook to the tune of like 4% damage. Even in the corner.

 

[CrazyFingers]

it's not. You block high every time. f+2 leads to combos and restands and big damage. You get hit by one d+4 you're out to the tune of like 4% damage. Even in the corner.

Well yea in the sense of a vortex it isn't a vortex but it TECHNICALLY is a mixup. I just wouldn't suggest using that.

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

LOL no legit player is actually going to call that a true vortex unless they are trying to be a smart ass.

Plus a Vortex does not have to be restand. that's a common misconception of the NRS community

we call Predator's 32 low laser and 3 low laser a true vortex in the corner
so what's your definition of a vortex? I think a vortex means there's no way out other than guessing right. And d4/F2 is a true 50/50

 

[CrazyFingers]

we call Predator's 32 low laser and 3 low laser a true vortex in the corner
so what's your definition of a vortex? I think a vortex means there's no way out other than guessing right. And d4/F2 is a true 50/50

a Vortex is a mixup that loops into itself. D4 doesn't loop into another D4/F2 mixup.

 

[IrishMantis]

we call Predator's 32 low laser and 3 low laser a true vortex in the corner
so what's your definition of a vortex? I think a vortex means there's no way out other than guessing right. And d4/F2 is a true 50/50

If somebody was to close their fist and slowly and softly as possible touch their knuckles off your face would you call it a punch and assult?
Just because by the books you can say it technically is you really shouldn't.
Nobody likes that guy

Don't be that guy

But to answer your question a true vortex is putting your opponent in a position where they are forced to guess which resets back in to itself

 

[Tweedy]

1. Predator's 32 and 3 low laser is fuzziable. The second hit of 32 is 10 frames, while low laser is over 20 frames.

2. Johny's D4 nets enough hit advantage to guarantee D4 and F2, so yoloroll isn't wrong there. It's just a shitty vortex lol.

 

[IrishMantis]

1. Predator's 32 and 3 low laser is fuzziable. The second hit of 32 is 10 frames, while low laser is over 20 frames.

2. Johny's D4 nets enough hit advantage to guarantee D4 and F2, so yoloroll isn't wrong there. It's just a shitty vortex lol.

That's what I'm implying

Not aimed at Yolo either just in case he thinks I'm personally taking shots at him

It's the ™Just because you technically can doesn't mean you should™ scenario

 

[exflyingbooty]

B14 and B33 are not safe. B14 is also so slow to start and has gaps so massive that it is almost unusable.

a 19 frame overhead in unusable...huh

 

[Karma]

That's what I'm implying

Not aimed at Yolo either just in case he thinks I'm personally taking shots at him

It's the ™Just because you technically can doesn't mean you should™ scenario

Do you still main stunt double or did you switched to A-list?

 

[Jay Rupp]

Reasons why This 50/50 are the kings and queens in Mortal Kombat X:

Sub-Zero
B33+EX ice ball. (SAFE)

Smoke
B1+EX smoke ball. (SAFE)
B3+ EX smoke ball. (SAFE)

Scorpion-
F2. (SAFE) (depends the range)
B3+EX Spear (SAFE)

Raiden-
B33+ naked shock grab (SAFE)

Quan-Chi-
F4+EX DB1 (SAFE)
B3+EX DB1 (SAFE)

Johnny cage-
F24 (SAFE FOR SURE)

The characters above are unacceptable to have a safe way if the opponent will guess right and even if the opponent doesn't guess correctly the opponent will eat combos 24/7.

Like i said earlier... This 50/50 are the Kings and Queens in Mortal kombat X. Sure you can say you don't need 50/50 to become the kings and Queens but this advantage could be abusable.

Lol. Those are all mixups, not 50/50s. Contrary to popular belief, THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.

 

[trufenix]

Well yea in the sense of a vortex it isn't a vortex but it TECHNICALLY is a mixup. I just wouldn't suggest using that.

it's a verbage issue to be sure. 50/50 is (or was) the big fucking boogeyman around here, and now that he's had his nails clipped its like, well how else do we complain about the fact that mkx is a game about getting mauled in the corner.

 

[xSamuel]

Use your words. I misread the data but it is still not a "50/50", it is a mix up. The main point is that Spectral is not safe off of his mix ups because the float can be interrupted without meter, the low strings are punishable, and the overhead has a gap.

 

[STRYKIE]

Use your words. I misread the data but it is still not a "50/50", it is a mix up. The main point is that Spectral is not safe off of his mix ups because the float can be interrupted without meter, the low strings are punishable, and the overhead has a gap.

I was the one who found out about the gap in the overhead, FYI. So I'm well aware of it. Anyway, Spectral doesn't have to commit to Soul Ascension strings after a blocked mixup. It's still left at good enough frames that you can fly away or counter-armour.

 

[Nausea]

Use your words. I misread the data but it is still not a "50/50", it is a mix up. The main point is that Spectral is not safe off of his mix ups because the float can be interrupted without meter, the low strings are punishable, and the overhead has a gap.

Play me. Oh please play me...

 

[CrazyFingers]

Play me. Oh please play me...

Your Spectral does things to me on a personal level Nausea.

 

[Nausea]

Your Spectral does things to me on a personal level Nausea.

I should feel dirty, but I really don't

 

[Wigy]

a Vortex is a mixup that loops into itself. D4 doesn't loop into another D4/F2 mixup.

His d4 grants enough +frames to guarantee another f2 or d4. F2 leads to restand. Its technically a vortex, though midscreen you cant loop infinitely due to stamina.

But by this logic any character with an overhead similar speed to this poke is a vortex character, think you need to make a distinction with pokes not being a vortex