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Explain to me why this game has safe 50/50s...

Karma

Karma

Soul Caliber, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, and SF.
Reasons why This 50/50 are the kings and queens in Mortal Kombat X:

Sub-Zero
B33+EX ice ball. (SAFE)

Smoke
B1+EX smoke ball. (SAFE)
B3+ EX smoke ball. (SAFE)

Scorpion-
F2. (SAFE) (depends the range)
B3+EX Spear (SAFE)

Raiden-
B33+ naked shock grab (SAFE)

Quan-Chi-
F4+EX DB1 (SAFE)
B3+EX DB1 (SAFE)

Johnny cage-
F24 (SAFE FOR SURE)

The characters above are unacceptable to have a safe way if the opponent will guess right and even if the opponent doesn't guess correctly the opponent will eat combos 24/7.

Like i said earlier... This 50/50 are the Kings and Queens in Mortal kombat X. Sure you can say you don't need 50/50 to become the kings and Queens but this advantage could be abusable.
 
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Tanno

Tanno

The Fantasy is the Reality of the Mind
I clearly don't think that those moves are safe at all. If any high level skilled opponent knows every opponent's moves, he's bound to block them.

If I'm Sub Zero, I would either do B33xxIce Klone (for defense) or B33xxFrost Bomb (for center and corner combos, if successful, or just getting away from the blocked opponents). I use the B33xxEX Iceball only in center, if I see my opponent being stunned. The B33xxIceball works only in the corner.

If anyone anticipates this, he/she might do any armor attack, like Raiden's Superman.

So, I wonder what do they have in their mind of saying that they're safe.
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

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Meterless rune isn't safe so Quan doesnt have free 50/50's. Smoke's is dumb i agree. B33 EX iceball makes sense for being safe since you have to burn a bar. B33xxShock grab does barely any damage unless you EX it which makes it unsafe. Johnny can be fuzzied so who cares? F2 doesn't get much other than a hard knockdown on Scorp and again, spending a bar for safety isn't busted. This shit has been around pretty much since day one. why the fuck are you complaining about it now?
 
xSamuel

xSamuel

Player of All, Master of None.
CrazyFingers said:
Meterless rune isn't safe so Quan doesnt have free 50/50's. Smoke's is dumb i agree. B33 EX iceball makes sense for being safe since you have to burn a bar. B33xxShock grab does barely any damage unless you EX it which makes it unsafe. Johnny can be fuzzied so who cares? F2 doesn't get much other than a hard knockdown on Scorp and again, spending a bar for safety isn't busted. This shit has been around pretty much since day one. why the fuck are you complaining about it now?
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He meant Ninjutsu. You can fuzzy F2 and F2/Takedown so a good Ninjutsu will have to rely on spacing his F2 properly to avoid punishment
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

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xSamuel said:
He meant Ninjutsu. You can fuzzy F2 and F2/Takedown so a good Ninjutsu will have to rely on spacing his F2 properly to avoid punishment
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You sure? Cuz he names B1 (which i assume B3 is what he means) and F2 isn't safe at close ranges.
 
YoloRoll1stHit

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
Smoke's B3 regular smoke bomb is NOT safe. You can jump cross up and punch him for a full combo before he recovers. I agree that B2/B3 ex smoke bomb is dumb but it costs a bar and leads to not so high damage. There is also a gap before ex smoke bomb touches you so i'm fine with it
And who the hell complain about Scorpion's B3 ex spear? You block high vs Scorpion?
 
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gongfuren

gongfuren

Arma Virumque Cano
Sub-Zero: EX ice ball requires meter and is negative on block, the defender gets an opportunity for pressure if he blocks correctly; also there is a gap to armor between his button and the EX ice ball

Smoke: EX smoke ball requires meter, and there is a gap for the defender to backdash between the button and the EX smoke ball

Raiden: shock grab is negative on block, the defender gets a turn if he blocks correctly; also there is a gap between the button and the shock grab for the defender to backdash

Quan Chi: rune is -12 on block, which is unsafe

Johnny Cage: f24 is negative on block, the defender gets a turn if he blocks correctly

It sounds like you need to spend more time in training mode.
 
Karma

Karma

Soul Caliber, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, and SF.
gongfuren said:
Sub-Zero: EX ice ball requires meter and is negative on block, the defender gets an opportunity for pressure if he blocks correctly; also there is a gap to armor between his button and the EX ice ball

Smoke: EX smoke ball requires meter, and there is a gap for the defender to backdash between the button and the EX smoke ball

Raiden: shock grab is negative on block, the defender gets a turn if he blocks correctly

Quan Chi: rune is -12 on block, which is unsafe

Johnny Cage: f24 is negative on block, the defender gets a turn if he blocks correctly

It sounds like you need to spend more time in training mode.
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Come on let's be honest if you are blocking smoke's overhead would you see EX smoke ball coming everytime?

F24 safe because it is not punishable

EX rune is safe not just rune by itself, i edited the problem too.

Shock grab is not punishable if you don't have a long reach 6f or 7f move because of the pushback it does.

EX Iceball creates pushback, leaving you to play footsies or try to pressure.

I did spend time according to what you and i said.
 
CrazyFingers

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Karma said:
Come on let's be honest if you are blocking smoke's overhead would you see EX smoke ball coming everytime?

F24 safe because it is not punishable

EX rune is safe not just rune by itself, i edited the problem too.

Shock grab is not punishable if you don't have a long reach 6f or 7f move because of the pushback it does.

EX Iceball creates pushback, leaving you to play footsies or try to pressure.

I did spend time according to what you and i said.
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Yes. Yes you would see that coming. BECAUSE WHAT ELSE IS HE GOING TO DO AFTER OVERHEAD?
 
gongfuren

gongfuren

Arma Virumque Cano
Karma said:
F24 safe because it is not punishable

Shock grab is not punishable if you don't have a long reach 6f or 7f move because of the pushback it does.
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Those moves are still negative. The defender has an opportunity to move before Johnny or Raiden, so he has a chance to start his own pressure.

EX rune is safe not just rune by itself, i edited the problem too.

EX Iceball creates pushback, leaving you to play footsies or try to pressure.
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So if you block correctly, your opponent is now down 1 stock of meter and has no guaranteed followup pressure due to negative frames or far range from pushback.

Come on let's be honest if you are blocking smoke's overhead would you see EX smoke ball coming everytime?
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No, you won't be reacting to the EX smoke ball. But his other options are complete the string with the 2+4, teleport, phase forward/back, spear, or invisibility. 2+4 leaves no gap but is very unsafe. Teleport and spear are both extremely risky and leave gaps. Invisibility and phase forward/backward are both negative, so Smoke gets no guaranteed followup pressure. EX smoke ball is most oftentimes his best option, so risking an armored reversal or backdash after seeing a blocked overhead is not always a bad idea.
 
Karma

Karma

Soul Caliber, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, and SF.
gongfuren said:
No, you won't be reacting to the EX smoke ball. But his other options are complete the string with the 2+4, teleport, phase forward/back, spear, or invisibility. 2+4 leaves no gap but is very unsafe. Teleport and spear are both extremely risky and leave gaps. Invisibility and phase forward/backward are both negative, so Smoke gets no guaranteed followup pressure. EX smoke ball is most oftentimes his best option, so risking an armored reversal or backdash after seeing a blocked overhead is not always a bad idea.
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Bro, i get what you are saying but remember if you haven't check yet EX spear is safe -5 for sure for scorpion but if you are talking about smoke he doesn't have a spear. I never spoke about his phase and it is safe ethier way but no pressure.
 
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