Dankster Morgan
It is better this way
But why? I'm not talking shit I just want to hear your perspective.
But why? I'm not talking shit I just want to hear your perspective.
You just have to play the matchup really different. Instead of b12 xx clone you know she will f2 punish, you can b12 block or b12 11 for example. Your clone placement also has to be very different from most characters, walk away, and if she puddles just run in and full combo punish. She still has an edge in the matchup but It's not as big as people think.
b12 11 yeah that works LOLOOOLOOOOOLOOOOLLLLL
I never use unsafe clone cancels vs D'Vorah. I'm not sure where you're going with B12 11 because B12 is minus 6 on block, which doesn't really allow for Sub to do a follow up. I definitely do need to work on it, but the thing is that all of Sub-Zero's strings are negative so she can just go into pressure on every blocked string. The way the characters are designed allows D'Vorah to do what she is good at, and hurts Sub-Zero's ability to do what he is good at. I don't think it's an 8-2 or anything crazy like that but it's in the ballpark of 7-3 imo. Thanks for the reply tho, I'll see what I can do.
What? So instead of getting a Clone out off B12, in this match up he gets to hold F22 into run cancel pressure. And this is one of the positive things you have to say as to why it's not 7-3?
Or doing a 7 frame high while you're minus 6 lol. I don't think all of his points were bad tho. He is definitely right that your Klone placement has to be different though.
It's already a much weaker character vs an arguably top 5 character, and his points are saying is that for this match up, the much weaker character has to completely scrap a lot of the optimal stuff he has to begin with, and also can't ry use Clone properly in the neutral. Oh great Sub can punish a puddle when used stupidly, just like everyone else in the game.
Yeah you don't need to convince me that it's awful. I also have it as a 7-3. For a matchup, tier placement doesn't really matter though. Like the much better characters overall that Sub can beat like Jax or Cassie. But the undeniably worst matchup in the game is Imposter Shinnok can Ferra/Torr. Holy shit that is retarded.
Overall power level absolutely does indeed matter when comparing a match, because first off you look at the match up specific interactions are, but you also have to see what each character is capable of to begin with. I mean, Dvorah has better significantly pokes, mids, 50-50s, buttons in general, and damage everywhere on the screen than Sub does. Even if the nature of the character didn't completely counter the nature of Sub, there would already be a few ticks in DVo's column for this match up. It's like if we compare CSZ to Mileena. I can't think of any MU specific interactions that make this one particularly bad, one character is simply a lot stronger than the other. Sure, hypothetically a bottom tier character can by nature of design have a good MU vs the best character in the game, a tier list doesn't stop this from being true. But saying overall power level flat doesn't matter on an individual match up scale is just wrong.
That's literally the point I was trying to get across... Tier lists are based on matchups, not the other way around.
ok, I described one character as top 5 in power level and one character
Yeah I'm not arguing over a technicality when our statements are basically mirroring each other
Umm, have you seen smoke vs GM sub?
you right you right, there's more than one
D'vorah is going to do f2 after the clone coming from b12, not just b12 itself. If you try to do your 11, most likely, her 112 is gonna beat that, and then it just goes downhill from there
Gotta test her early and fast
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