General/Other - Kotal Kahn [EO Beta Closed] Kotal Kahn Beta Changes

KeyserSoze · Feb 9, 2016

IMO, ex-pizza eating projectiles is a big deal and arguably compensates for no b1~sun choke on block.

Also, people talk about b14~sun choke being a gimmick that is easily countered, but in reality, many people won't counter consistently in many situations. It's definitely something to throw out on occasion and possibly mix up with b14~ex pizza.

DaBeast · Feb 9, 2016

From personal experience b14 is easier to react to. It only took 2 games against a Tempest Lao for him to start reacting to blocked b14 into command grab and armouring to counter (and thus is not to say I was abusing the string).

This change doesn't wreck Sun God but it definitely takes away one of his more prominent guessing games.

TheRealOnlyGoonie · Feb 9, 2016

IF THE OPPONENT HAS METER B14 SHOULD BE

KeyserSoze said:
IMO, ex-pizza eating projectiles is a big deal and arguably compensates for no b1~sun choke on block.

Also, people talk about b14~sun choke being a gimmick that is easily countered, but in reality, many people won't counter consistently in many situations. It's definitely something to throw out on occasion and possibly mix up with b14~ex pizza.

IF THE GUY YOU ARE FIGHTING HAS ARMOR AND AT LEAST HALF A BRAIN B14 SHOULD BE GETTING BLOWN UP EVERY TIME.

Marinjuana · Feb 9, 2016

WHY DO YOU HAVE CAP LOCK ON?

Pnut · Feb 9, 2016

dennycascade said:
Make sure you're testing it from all distances

I wouldn't post something if I didn't do it atleast 10+ times from different distances. I did b122 ex sword throw, and raw sword throw. It appears its a global change that also works with Ronin Takeda blade call.

GAV · Feb 9, 2016

Man, the over-reactions...

B1Grab was a nice opener. It served to make the opponent nervous making it a decent tool, but losing it isn't a game-changer. SG still has tools to make the opponent nervous and tools for other mixups have been added.

If you're unwilling to learn new things, this is bad. If you're looking to expand your SG game, then this is fine.

If you don't over-react before you know what you're talking about, people won't be misguided into believing that you never know what you're talking about.

Name v.5.0 · Feb 9, 2016

Hey guys, I know many of you are upset and think B14~CG is a bill, but here's an idea...Use it when your opponent doesn't have meter.

Last night I played a Sub Zero that knew the Kotal MU. When he back dashed I caught him with a F2 on reaction. Not sure if he was trying to press buttons, but it worked. If they jump, you can react to that too.

Adapt. Overcome.

KeyserSoze · Feb 9, 2016

TheRealOnlyGoonie said:
IF THE OPPONENT HAS METER B14 SHOULD BE

IF THE GUY YOU ARE FIGHTING HAS ARMOR AND AT LEAST HALF A BRAIN B14 SHOULD BE GETTING BLOWN UP EVERY TIME.

In theory, yes. In practice, no chance. A prudently played Sun God gives the opponent a lot to think about. I guarantee that b14~sun choke will be a good thing to throw out on occasion.

dennycascade · Feb 9, 2016

Pnut said:
I wouldn't post something if I didn't do it atleast 10+ times from different distances. I did b122 ex sword throw, and raw sword throw. It appears its a global change that also works with Ronin Takeda blade call.

Well that's a weird nerf. Is it still the same frame data on block?

DaBeast · Feb 9, 2016

Name v.5.0 said:
Hey guys, I know many of you are upset and think B14~CG is a bill, but here's an idea...Use it when your opponent doesn't have meter.

Last night I played a Sub Zero that knew the Kotal MU. When he back dashed I caught him with a F2 on reaction. Not sure if he was trying to press buttons, but it worked. If they jump, you can react to that too.

Adapt. Overcome.

This was the same conclusion I came to after playing against Lao. Started not to use b14~cmd grab at all when they had meter.

ZigZag · Feb 9, 2016

Eldriken said:
They can jump/armor out of it. If people know the MU like they should, they'll know that just using b14 is dumb since it's like -17 on block and we're gonna have to commit to db2 or try and make a read that they're gonna jump and do b14~df1/EX pizza instead.

It's not a perfect world it's more work and reads for sure, but we can't all have it easy.
I think it makes for some interesting corner game though, the correct read in the corner is going to be huge for Kotal the straight up fear of people doing B14 Ex sun disk like most people would in the corner is plenty to fear them into getting ticked by B14 aswell, it's just more mind games... kind of interesting to think how scary it might be to make the wrong call when in the corner against sun god.
Condition them to the OH options and get them on hit into the throw just adds to all the fear and pressure, corner's a bitch of a place to be.

Rampage254 · Feb 9, 2016

TheRealOnlyGoonie said:
IF THE OPPONENT HAS METER B14 SHOULD BE

IF THE GUY YOU ARE FIGHTING HAS ARMOR AND AT LEAST HALF A BRAIN B14 SHOULD BE GETTING BLOWN UP EVERY TIME.

You're overreacting a bit too much. Just adapt to the changes, it's not a big deal. Kotal has other good tools. Turn off the cap locks

TheRealOnlyGoonie · Feb 9, 2016

GiM | ZigZag said:
It's not a perfect world it's more work and reads for sure, but we can't all have it easy.
I think it makes for some interesting corner game though, the correct read in the corner is going to be huge for Kotal the straight up fear of people doing B14 Ex sun disk like most people would in the corner is plenty to fear them into getting ticked by B14 aswell, it's just more mind games... kind of interesting to think how scary it might be to make the wrong call when in the corner against sun god.

THIS ACTUALLY DESTROYS SUNGODS CORNER GAME.

SHAOLIN · Feb 9, 2016

This is the type of thing that I'm talking about when I say: I HATE THEORY FIGHTING!

Levaranoia · Feb 9, 2016

I wish people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about would stop posting their theory crap/misinformation all over the place...

STK · Feb 9, 2016

This sun god got nerfed talk is foolish. b1 tick throws is not what made the character. Hes still boss. also never worrying about taking a kd anymore when throwing a EX pizza is great.

ZigZag · Feb 9, 2016

TheRealOnlyGoonie said:
THIS ACTUALLY DESTROYS SUNGODS CORNER GAME.

Don't ever quote me again please.
All you've been doing is crying with your caps lock on, I couldn't care less for you and was actively trying to avoid telling you to man the fuck up.
Level up or die like the rest simple as that.
Stop shouting about how Kotals sun god is ruined and get to the lab you cretin.
There you did it.

buyacushun · Feb 9, 2016

GiM | ZigZag said:
It's not a perfect world it's more work and reads for sure, but we can't all have it easy.
I think it makes for some interesting corner game though, the correct read in the corner is going to be huge for Kotal the straight up fear of people doing B14 Ex sun disk like most people would in the corner is plenty to fear them into getting ticked by B14 aswell, it's just more mind games... kind of interesting to think how scary it might be to make the wrong call when in the corner against sun god.
Condition them to the OH options and get them on hit into the throw just adds to all the fear and pressure, corner's a bitch of a place to be.

Lol you just described what he can do now with b1 on block. And isn't B14xxEX disc have a gap? Like you don't need armor to beat it?

Mrfinesse28 · Feb 9, 2016

SM StarGazer said:
Wanted tomake sure foolishness wasnt unleashed. Any new strings or setups. b112 into ExDisk is not as strong, which is good. Also did they mess with The sun stocks, more neg, etc,etc.Cause 114 into ExStocks is godlike.

B112 ex disk has always been interruptible even on current build

Mrfinesse28 · Feb 9, 2016

TKB said:
I just don't get why they would take away Sun God's best mind game/mixup between b1grab/b122 but leave war God untouched... That makes no sense to me at all.

There's isn't anything wrong with war god if u block properly he is extremely negative

Mrfinesse28 · Feb 9, 2016

perfectghast said:
2,1,2 is -1 on block

Always has been

Mr Aquaman · Feb 9, 2016

Its like you guys don't realize b1 is still 9 frames. And only -2. What a risk lol. If you want more braindead pressure drop kotal.

Eldriken · Feb 9, 2016

Mr Aquaman said:
Its like you guys don't realize b1 is still 9 frames. And only -2. What a risk lol. If you want more braindead pressure drop kotal.

People clamoring on about how Sun God sucks now that b1~db2 no longer ticks on block clearly never played anyone who knew their options against it.

I was playing people on the beta today as Sun God that jumped out of/armored through b14~db2 the first fuckin' time I used it. >_> I had to start mixing it up right away.

Name v.5.0 · Feb 9, 2016

TheRealOnlyGoonie said:
THIS ACTUALLY DESTROYS SUNGODS CORNER GAME.

TKB · Feb 9, 2016

The go-to tic IMO will now be standing 1. It works on block and hit as well. Pretty good. Downside is it's a high.

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