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General/Other - Kotal Kahn [EO Beta Closed] Kotal Kahn Beta Changes

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Phosferrax

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
AZTEC-GOD said:
It is if you condition your opponent.
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See b14 -> do armour -> get the punish regardless of any of the three options he has from that string.

You can stagger b1 sure, but b1 not ticking is a nerf to his current guessing game. An offensive option has been removed.

If b1 still ticked then b14~grab working on hit would be better.
 
Generalbit

Generalbit

The blade of osh-tekk is stale.
Phosferrax said:
See back b14 -> do armour -> get the punish regardless of any of the three options he has from that string.

You can stagger b1 sure, but b1 not ticking is a nerf to his current guessing game. An offensive option has been removed.

If b1 still ticked then b14~grab working on hit would be better.
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it doesn't help that you can't use b14 to bait either, considering the string is -17. so there is no reason to respect anything after b14
 
AZTEC-GOD

AZTEC-GOD

I will kill you for sport.
Mr Aquaman said:
Sun God is equally as good as he was before the beta. If you needed b1 throw to win or "out play" your opponent you should level up. Or play blood good who gets nothing off of, well anything on block.
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Exactly. Lol. Finally someone LEGIT said it
 
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Eldriken

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I don't see what the big stink is. It sucks that he lost it for sure, but I haven't had any trouble thus far adjusting with it. Just gotta do shit a bit differently now, which is to be expected when any changes to a character are made.
 
Jeffrey Wolf

Jeffrey Wolf

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Oh, the Kotal forums. Sun God got nerfed. Plain and simple. Can you still win with him? Of course. But to say that he didn't or is the same as he was is just silly. Come on now. You can love a character and still admit when he's been changed. And as for Blood God being fine as is, all the characters are fine as is, but not if you want to win at a high level with them. There are enough people playing this game to easily tell when something has become solid. Sun God got buffed and then a lot of people started to play him and win with him. Blood God got buffed and people tried him (Forever King, Coach Steve, etc.) and lost. Blood God just doesn't have the cheese that so many other characters do. Sun God had some cheese and now it's gone.
 
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Eldriken

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Jeffrey Wolf said:
Oh, the Kotal forums. Sun God got nerfed. Plain and simple. Can you still win with him? Of course. But to say that he didn't or is the same as he was is just silly. Come on now. You can love a character and still admit when he's been changed. And as for Blood God being fine as is, all the characters are fine as is, but not if you want to win at a high level with them. There are enough people playing this game it's very easy to tell when something has become solid. Sun God got buffed and then a lot of people started to play him and win with him. Blood God got buffed and people tried him (Forever King, Coach Steve, etc.) and lost. Blood God just doesn't have the cheese that so many other characters do. Sun God had some cheese and now it's gone.
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Only thing is, we don't know if this change is sticking or not. We also don't know if these are all of the changes that are being made to the characters. We're gonna have to wait until patch notes drop either shortly before March 1st or on March 1st.

Even if everything that's changed about Kotal in the beta remains the same when March 1st rolls around, people will still figure out a way to do just as good with him.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
His B1~throw is a HUGE nerf. I can see it and I don't even play him. B14~throw will be punished everythime by characters with 17F armored moves no matter if he stops or not.
If they make his B14 safer then yes, he would have a good rick throw option.
 
Jeffrey Wolf

Jeffrey Wolf

YouTube: Jeffrey B Wolf
@Eldriken, true, the nerf/buffs may not stay. But if they do, he's no longer as good a character. People will adapt, of course, but that doesn't change what his new tier will be.

Also, it seems likely that the adjustments will stay. After all, it's not like we're being surveyed about the nerfs/buffs, just the online.
 
Pnut

Pnut

Mouth of the Illuminati
Also War God specific. Ending a combo into EX Sword Smash only does 2% now as an OTG. As opposed to 8%
 
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Eldriken

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Jeffrey Wolf said:
@Eldriken, true, the nerf/buffs may not stay. But if they do, he's no longer as good a character. People will adapt, of course, but that doesn't change what his new tier will be.

Also, it seems likely that the adjustments will stay. After all, it's not like we're being surveyed about the nerfs/buffs, just the online.
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We're not being surveyed on them, true. But that doesn't mean feedback here or anywhere else is being disregarded. Only time will tell and folks can only remain hopeful that some things don't stick.
 
TommyKing5

TommyKing5

But the saw... the saw is family
Am I the only who thinks b1 tick being removed isn't as bad as people think? I'm annoyed it's gone, sure but it won't destroy him. Kotal's still got every other tick. B1, standing 1 and b14 all work on hit which is nice..

At least they didn't nerf his damage, so I'm thankful for that.
 
buyacushun

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Eldriken said:
We're not being surveyed on them, true. But that doesn't mean feedback here or anywhere else is being disregarded. Only time will tell and folks can only remain hopeful that some things don't stick.
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Are his ticks only down pokes, S1, B14, weird jump in timings?
 
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Eldriken

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GiM | ZigZag said:
I dunno about you guys but B14 CG on block and hit landing? I'll take that any day to lose B1 tick personally.
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They can jump/armor out of it. If people know the MU like they should, they'll know that just using b14 is dumb since it's like -17 on block and we're gonna have to commit to db2 or try and make a read that they're gonna jump and do b14~df1/EX pizza instead.
 
buyacushun

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Eldriken said:
I don't know anything about weird jump-in timing ticks. I just use d1, d4, b14 and sometimes s1.
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Well it's kind of a tick and kind of not. I think it was ji3 that you could just input the grab but the other ones needed a slight delay. Was messing with it the other day since his jump ins are so good and people expect normals after blocked jump ins. Mix in that and some empty jumps and it gets pretty fun on knockdown.
 
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