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Question - Erron Black ERRON BLACK CROW BRUTALITY?!?!?!(Down+Stance Switch+Block+3)

Kitana Prime

Kitana Prime

Top-tier at everything but the characters I choose
@Youphemism

This isnt the Toasty Boost, where you gained an ENTIRE 3 BARS OF METER. This is secret brutalities that impact the game in no way whatsoever.

...and the whole "Tired of top players half of the game including tech, MU exp, etc"

Can you prove that? Which "top players" are hiding MU knowledge, tech, etc? Is it because they dont post here? (Side note: btw, If they are, SO WHAT, they're playing to win the game. 10k pot bonuses eveywhere, but thats beside the point) How is everyone entitled to anything they may find?

Anyone can see this site favors drama above all, which is fine, because as I've said before, everything isn't cancerous. There's plenty to learn. You just have to be willing to deal with the nonsense, which majority of these "top guys" you mention are absentees. They dont want to.


Oh, and tag me next time. I'm a direct person.
 
aieches

aieches

#freeHomelee2016
seems a lot of people have the only child syndrome here. ( on both sides of the argument) which does not surprise me .
still though , both sides have good points ..

im pretty much dead set on the fact that it was "told" to whomever the first time. period. cause if someone had truly "discovered" this then it would most likely have been revealed in the hype of discovery.
 
Ahmad

Ahmad

Noob
I think I've figured out something, not the brutality itself but something else.

If you do a brutality using Erron and get a flawless victory, the commentator says --> "Brutality. Erron Black wins *~2 second pause* Flawless victory". The important bit here is the pause, it happens with all his brutalities even though there's probably just that one 2-stage brutality with the grab/crow, this is probably where you put the input.

Now what's interesting about this is that I tested it with every single other character and only 2 others had the ~2sec pause between "xx wins" and "flawless victory", and they were Cassie and Jacqui, which leads me to believe that they also have a 2-stage brutality which needs to be input in that the pause time.
 
N00B

N00B

Noob
just_2swift said:
It's with a string
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I really hope Kung Lao has conversion in that 11212 string into more punches simillar to Johnny s b12121...but ofc harder maybe its some secret input for it. And woulde be cool if possible to do new savage brutal off of it. Seriosly 11212 looks unfinished<not enough fast punches. 11212 does 7% damage, 3% chip damage, starting of 8 frame s1 high, into 11 frame mid 11, into 7 frame mids 212. Sometimes i mash all buttons hoping converted it into more punches lol. Atleast would be awesome if possible to do 212 after s1 or after f2 or like independent multyhitting normal.
For example.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Kitana Prime said:
@Youphemism

This isnt the Toasty Boost, where you gained an ENTIRE 3 BARS OF METER. This is secret brutalities that impact the game in no way whatsoever.

...and the whole "Tired of top players half of the game including tech, MU exp, etc"

Can you prove that? Which "top players" are hiding MU knowledge, tech, etc? Is it because they dont post here? (Side note: btw, If they are, SO WHAT, they're playing to win the game. 10k pot bonuses eveywhere, but thats beside the point) How is everyone entitled to anything they may find?

Anyone can see this site favors drama above all, which is fine, because as I've said before, everything isn't cancerous. There's plenty to learn. You just have to be willing to deal with the nonsense, which majority of these "top guys" you mention are absentees. They dont want to.


Oh, and tag me next time. I'm a direct person.
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Right, but this isn't the only thing people hide from the community which is my point. Whether it be something as small as a brutality requirement or something as big as a way to better a characters movement, if someone asks how to do it they shouldn't be met with "it's a secret" or "I know how to do it but I'm not telling you". They're asking a simple question to help them learn more about the game, maybe they don't have the time or creativity to find it themselves. What's the problem with answering their question? Hiding helps noone. Some might consider it more 'fun' but if others are asking it's because they'd rather just know what it is than spend ages looking for it. Look at what REO does, he posts tons of tech and discusses a lot in detail with the community. He knows there are people who won't agree but he understands that this is a community, that that means there are more people involved than just the top players, and that sharing and discussing things with the wider community will be better in the long run. He doesn't care that people disagree, he just cares enough to share what he knows.

This is only one example but on Twitter recently Slayer was asking how to do the 24% gotcha grab with Jax and instead of people just simply answering his question he got responses of "it's a secret". What was even worse was that he mentioned having to go to the Jax forums to find it out like it was a bad thing and people were replying to him with the same opinion. It SHOULD be there anyway, this is the place specifically made for discussing these kinds of things. Why should it be that only the players that can go to tournaments should know this stuff? Why can't everyone know? All you need to do is look at the players saying "yeah this is known" or something along those lines.
Can you honestly tell me, for example, Sonic has shared all his tech/matchup specific knowledge/secrets with the community? That everyone knows what he knows about the game?

Why is expecting a community to learn and grow together entitled? That's the whole point of a community. What is so bad about sharing tech? Are people really that scared of being beat in competition that they can't help the rest of the community learn matchups at the highest possible level by sharing what they know with people? Are they so afraid of a little backlash, the obviousness that there are going to be opinions that differ from theirs, that they'd rather just not post tech here? People need to learn that posting tech isn't about the likes, your fanbase, everyone thinking the tech is viable or that it's always going to be great tech, they should just be posting for the sake of the community. Helping others instead of just themselves. Wouldn't you rather have hype matches, the highest level of play, every match rather than just when it gets to top 16 and it's the same players there every time? In saying that though there is bad/useless tech but better it be discussed and everyone conclude that it's unviable/useless than noone discussing it at all.

Actually this site doesn't favour drama, that's what we're left with because everything the top players want to discuss they do elsewhere. If people can't deal with people disagreeing with them they need to grow a pair. People are going to have different opinions, fact, but this is the point of discussion. Some people don't know how to discuss things without breaking into insults and that's their problem but if you don't want to talk to them ignore them, that's what the button's for.

I'm not talking about you in particular, I think you're pretty cool and you do a lot to help the community in different ways. I just think that if there is information that can be used to help the community get better and learn more then the community should know about it.
 
Ns_Brutalmileena

Ns_Brutalmileena

Wheres Mileener!BRUH
Well im labbing hard and if I find it I will not troll or withhold the info. If you guys see a post from me it will be legit. After this post <3 I don't even play Erron but I want to crack it so we can figure out the other characters more easy. That would be the smart formula to have unless it was discovered through other means<.< lol.....aka not discovered
 
just_2swift

just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
N00B said:
I really hope Kung Lao has conversion in that 11212 string into more punches simillar to Johnny s b12121...but ofc harder maybe its some secret input for it. And woulde be cool if possible to do new savage brutal off of it. Seriosly 11212 looks unfinished<not enough fast punches. 11212 does 7% damage, 3% chip damage, starting of 8 frame s1 high, into 11 frame mid 11, into 7 frame mids 212. Sometimes i mash all buttons hoping converted it into more punches lol. Atleast would be awesome if possible to do 212 after s1 or after f2 or like independent multyhitting normal.
For example.
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Not off of 112124 or 11212
 
Juxtapose

Juxtapose

Noob
jboogie607 said:
This was when bit was commentating for mkx before he retired. It might have been. Probably a gbs or shang tsung fight night. I miss those guys on the mic :(
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Okay. The only Stage Brutality I know of on Kuatan Jungle is with that interactive to the left of the middle, the statue you scan grab and smash your opponent's head into. To do it you need to hang once from the vine to the right of centre (the swinging vines don't seem to count).
 
Kitana Prime

Kitana Prime

Top-tier at everything but the characters I choose
@Youphemism quasi bullet points here because your essay is well, an essay. I did read the whole thing, I appreciate you being clear as possible, but im not reading each time I want to respond.

Our disagreement stems from the fact that I dont think secret brutalities hold the weight of tech/MU knowledge and it doesnt actually matter of they're never found out, hence the fun in them. Ive only seen a few. I dont know them all.

I wonder? @colt @j360 @jamessmk Did we find everything from MK9? Anyway...

I've never once said that the people of TYM aren't a part of the community.

"Drama is what we're left with because the top players discuss things elsewhere"
Absolutely not. The atmosphere creates itself in a forum, consisting of the people who make it.

Sonic or anybody btw, doesn't have to share everything he knows about the game. No top player is afraid of others (everyone wants to beat Sonic, DJT, F0xy, etc) so I'm sure they're not worried about anyone else on the road to becoming a top guy. Maybe, if everyone worked as hard as Sonic or REO does, they'd be in their positions. Knowing is half the battle, true. Sure, having the info out there builds the communities' awareness, but at the end of the day this is still competition first and you have to know your fair share of info regardless. Sonic wins not because he knows more than everyone, but because he is better than everyone. Also, there's plenty lab monsters who know things top guys dont know and use for themselves - its players at all levels. I've played plenty of "unknowns" at every major I attend and I usually see something I haven't seen, or a slick touch on something already popularized. Are we gonna condemn them too? The realization is once somebody uses new tech they've discovered and we see it, there ya go. It starts to get broken down. That's the game naturally evolving. You were around for Injustice, you know how it works.

Overall, at the end of the day, I agree with you on most of your thoughts. The thing is, a lot of your points make sense, however they're misdirected. You're releasing your issues with how the community should be, here, anyway - and pointing your guns in a thread about secret brutalities, which I believe is literally is the most useless thing when it comes to everything you speak of. Finding tech, spreading MU info, etc. Its fun, and we'll have to agree to disagree here.

Edit - damn I wrote an essay too. Sorry Youph :p
 
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