With batman you have to take into account his jump arc and he has to be falling down to land his j2. With mine it is a j3 done when killer frost is rising. Seeing as j2 is +22 on hit and the j3 cannot be interrupted the cross up j3 happens in less than 22 frames. I would guess that batman's cross up occurs in at least 10 more frames.
KF has a vortex, it just costs meter. Batgirl has a meterless vortex as well.
vortex in the strictest terms means only off knockdown, which I think Cossner is referencing
I don't know who added the knockdown element... but that really doesn't matter. A vortex is an endless combo loop where you end a combo and force them to guess a mixup (usually a 50/50) that puts them back into a combo that leads into the same mixup at the end. Usually the combo does significant damage as well.
No... that's a 50/50... This community defines it like that since they misunderstood what Scorpion's actual Vortex is... which is fine, I think, since definitions change all the time.
A 50/50 is just a mixup in which they have to guess between two options, effectively giving you a 50% chance of opening up your opponent. A vortex usually ends in forcing a 50/50 mixup on your opponent. Vortex's can involve 50/50's, but 50/50's don't necessarily result in a vortex.
im not quite sure how much more of this nonsense I can take.the guess is the slide or the overhead the j3 you can actually see.
I'm sure you can take much more. Why on earth do some of you get so uptight about a VARIATION of a mix up? I'm not really a cookie cutter kind of guy so I appreciate when people propose these types of variants. The instant jump 3 is faster than you are alluding...clearly from his video this isn't the run of the mill FULL JUMP OVER their head and she kicks the back of their knees, lol.
Playing KF online I was able to do j3 cross up thing with it working most of the time. How can you say "It can be reacted to", yet you were still hit by it once? You should see my newest video where if you are near an interactable you can create an ambiguous j3 scenario.
Online is not too bad but I know most consider it illegitimate for tournament play. If you do j3 near an air interactable you can link into the divekick to do 25%, even if it was a sharp j3. You can also delay that instant j3 to make it cross up.
If you're trying to look for a slide or overhead you'll react slowly to the jump. How do people not get that adding an extra option so the opponent has to think more is useful?
i never said it wasn't fast and I do think that once in a blue moon it will proberly catch people off guard but the fact is you can see the jump.im not trying to shit on anybody or their ideas either.just out of curiosity what's j3 on block? is there some ridiculous block advantage I don't know about or something?
The original isn't unreactable, If you have another thing to think about you'll react more slowly.
u don't look for the slide or overhead because there too fast to see,you guess.my point is you can see the jump.i don't really understand how I can make it any clearer tbh.
They aren't too fast for you to see...
lmfao! wow dude u must be a fucking Jedi then if u can see frosts slide or overhead and block it on reaction after mb grab. Ur tooo fucking funny man.
I guess every good Guilty Gear player and P4u player is a Jedi then. There is way harder shit to block in those games than blocking low and reacting to a 19 frame overhead.
