General/Other - Smoke XL Robo Smoke Discussion Thread

[Name v.5.0]

also he can duck it and punish
it would still be something tho..don't remember the startup frames but if it could at least punish blockstrings into clone like other characters can do all we have to worry is knockdown setups

EX Trident is 15 startup, -4 on block. Plenty of time for Sub to block or duck.

 

[shura30]

EX Trident is 15 startup, -4 on block. Plenty of time for Sub to block or duck.

no, cassie cage's df1 is 13 frames and can punish almost each string into clone
15 frames should be enough for smoke

obviously not gonna happen but I like to dream

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

my other main is displacer and you get tons of options in the gm matchup if you need a side choice

 

[supernumian]

How do you use EX invisibility in matches?
I usally do 114 EX inv at the end of a combo and do B12 phase away/toward to quicly go near the opponent and begin my chaotic pressure.

Any other idea beside trident --> EX inv?

 

[Name v.5.0]

Anyone at home testing the 1.13 patch? People are saying Smoke bomb has changed from -8 on block to -4, and he got a damage nerf. What else is there?

 

[Redux]

2% of damage is lost on my combos ending into the vortex. Nor sure about how much was lost ending in telport. Does anyone remember what the startup on teleport was before?

 

[Name v.5.0]

The notes are out:

21 is now only +17 instead of +24
S3 is now only +12 instead of +29

looks like all combos into vortex now need to end in 21. This might affect the vortex...Delaying B3 might not be an option now.

 

[Harlequin969]

The nerfs to Smoke are unwarranted. Holy shit

 

[Harlequin969]

The notes are out:

21 is now only +17 instead of +24
S3 is now only +12 instead of +29

looks like all combos into vortex now need to end in 21. This might affect the vortex...Delaying B3 might not be an option now.

b3 is also slower 15 frames instead of 11

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

WHAT?!

Im sitting here waiting to see what buffs we got to fix his terrible matchups, NERFS?!

 

[MajinBerserker]

Vortex life will be interesting now.

I'm sure everyone will react better now, too. Huehuehue
Kappa

 

[shura30]

a month wasted on this char

instead of fixes we got nerfs

 

[Matix218]

So essentially we are three frames less advantage on block for ex smoke bomb, we need to end vortex combos in 21 instead of 3, and we lost 2% on all vortex combos (possibly all combos)?

Is that the major stuff?

 

[Harlequin969]

Guess what, b1 still doesn't combo meterlessly midscreen

 

[Harlequin969]

b3, sb, njp, rc, 4, f21, bf1, jip, 21 only nets 21%

 

[Matix218]

Guess what, b1 still doesn't combo

Does it still combo with ex smokebomb midscreen and regular smokebomb in the corner at least?

 

[Matix218]

b3, sb, njp, rc, 4, f21, jip, 21 only nets 21%

Shouldn't there be a harpoon in there

 

[Harlequin969]

Shouldn't there be a harpoon in there

You're right. Still does 21% damage. Just forgot the notation

 

[MajinBerserker]

So essentially we are three frames less advantage on block for ex smoke bomb, we need to end vortex combos in 21 instead of 3, and we lost 2% on all vortex combos (possibly all combos)?

Is that the major stuff?

Seems like it.
The overall Triborg hit adv changes really affect his vortex. With B3 being increased to 15f start up, even ending in 21 for +17 kind of takes away the delay-b3 to blow up the fuzzy. 21 is def the better vortex ender now, though.
No "Batgirl" vortex anymore.

 

[Harlequin969]

Does it still combo with ex smokebomb midscreen and regular smokebomb in the corner at least?

They both combo with exsmokebomb still but off my basic bnb it's down to 23% damage.
In the corner, b1, sb, njp, 4, 4, 114, bf1, 21, is only 24%

 

[Gengar]

2% of damage is lost on my combos ending into the vortex. Nor sure about how much was lost ending in telport. Does anyone remember what the startup on teleport was before?

So essentially we are three frames less advantage on block for ex smoke bomb, we need to end vortex combos in 21 instead of 3, and we lost 2% on all vortex combos (possibly all combos)?

Is that the major stuff?

2% of the damage from smoke bomb was moved to the drop, and since vortex combos skip the drop that is where your 2% is going.

Triborg (Smoke) - reduced the initial damage of Smoke Cloud & Smoke Bomb by 2 and increased the drop damage by 2

 

[Matix218]

At least we get to keep our safe vortex.

We are still plus enough with 21 to guarantee the vortex.

So we list a couple of percent damage and we are not quite as plus on our vortex setup and b3 got slower but tbh it doesn't really change the smoke game plan that much imo. Minor nerfs are not that big of a deal, I think smoke is fine. Wish they could have given us a standing armor move though but its whatever

 

[shura30]

to me the vortex was never about the standard 50/50 after 3 or 21 ( I already used almost exclusively the latter)
but mixing and throwing the opponent mixing off other attacks after the spear

right now the frame difference between b1 and b3 makes the fuzzy harder if not impossible
but those 4 more frames on b3 hurts the tool outside the vortex

 

[Redux]

I would already bait armor sometimes when opponents caught on to me delaying after 21 or 3 so this isn't that bad. Also it gives me more of a reason to use @Scott The Scot 213 ender more sometimes. I still love the character so I will continue to use him.

 

[Matix218]

Definitely still using the character, these nerfs are minor