Stamina "Cool Down" on Combo Breakers - Is it too Long?

[Jimmypotato]

Then don't break.

Think about that...

It's actually what I've started doing, or rather not doing. Some situations I find I have a better chance to win when I just don't break. Even if it means I'm left with 15-20 percent health instead of still at 40-50 in the final round.

It definitly makes things interesting.

 

[Eldriken]

Then don't break.

Think about that...

You ought to know it's not that simple. What if him not breaking will cause him to lose the match?

There are quite a few factors that you have to consider when it comes down to breaking.

 

[Jimmypotato]

This is the week of "i don't like Y or X mechanics in the game, lets change it"

This thread isn't about getting it changed or going on a crusade to do so. I said that in the OP.

It's a thread to create disscussion about the cool down. And to gauge everyones thoughts on it.

 

[Eldriken]

This is the week of "i don't like Y or X mechanics in the game, lets change it"

You're jumping the gun, dude. This isn't what the topic is about. At all.

 

[Tony at Home]

it's the way it should be imo

don't give the guy getting opened up any rewards for getting opened up

By this logic, breakers shouldn't exist at all, and there shouldn't be any meter gain at all from being kombo'd.

 

[Sultani]

This is the week of "i don't like Y or X mechanics in the game, lets change it"

Yeah. Pointing out and discussing inconsistencies is the same as "I don't like it."

Sucks when decent discussions that are relatively constructive are called complaining. Happens all the time. People bitch to no end about complaining.... So much so that they even do it when no one is complaining.

 

[Tom Brady]

You ought to know it's not that simple. What if him not breaking will cause him to lose the match?

There are quite a few factors that you have to consider when it comes down to breaking.

At what part do we look at you getting hit being the problem and not the cool down. You do not have a god given right to escape a combo, let alone do it without penality.

 

[Eldriken]

At what part do we look at you getting hit being the problem and not the cool down. You do not have a god given right to escape a combo, let alone do it without penality.

...that's not what I was saying. Like, at all.

I was just pointing out that there are a few things to consider when it comes down to breaking. If I worded it wrong, my mistake.

 

[Jimmypotato]

At what part do we look at you getting hit being the problem and not the cool down. You do not have a god given right to escape a combo, let alone do it without penality.

What about in a 50/50 heavy game such as this? Sometimes people guess wrong. Not saying you have a right to escape. But if you have managed your meter well enough to have the 2 bars incase you guess wrong, Then is 2 bars and 2 stamina and an extensive Cool down on stamina too much?

 

[Eddy Wang]

Don't get me wrong guys, i think i had my fair dose of how they don't like throws, how they think overheads are way too fast among other things

I just that i find kinda funny, though, and i can understand what Jimmy feels like, i was just pointing out the irony of how this week is been more about system mechanics either discussion or complainments, and not much about how character A, or B needs to be toned down.

Now to jump back in the topic, the second i saw this on day launch it made me realize how much NRS wants do discourage breakers, it kind sucks when you're cornered though, but then again we're not exploiting this to the fully extend to know the drawbacks other than you break in the corner and you're still fucked.

I mean people who forces breakers are not designing their strats around the temporary inability to not use stamina yet, which in turn might actually help us get good and plan in advance how, when and why we should actually break a combo.

I for one, i know my meter is way too important for my character, so i take the damage and multiple times, i prefer to work on the wakeup rather than break to have a breathing room. When you're cornered, breaking doesn't give you a breathing room, just watch how Sonic Fox runs back in when someone breaks his combos.

 

[Krackatoa]

What about in a 50/50 heavy game such as this? Sometimes people guess wrong. Not saying you have a right to escape. But if you have managed your meter well enough to have the 2 bars incase you guess wrong, Then is 2 bars and 2 stamina and an extensive Cool down on stamina too much?

Two bars to negate what could be 40 to 50%? Two bars for something that could remove a bar from your opponent if they play someone who uses metered starters? That's a nice deal. What if you play a good keepaway character, or are in a matchup where you build meter like a fiend? Breakers can easily become lopsided, and I'd rather them offer an option, not the option.

There are plenty of good times to use a breaker already. That's enough.

 

[M.D.]

What I actually find funny is that some people actually consider this game perfect as such nobody has any right to even consider daring having the gall to even remotely mention that a mechanic might have some issues.

No, you are all fools, the game is too young, after 1 year you will see EVERYTHING you complain about is OK, there is absolutely NO problem with the game whatsoever.

Goobypls.

 

[Hades]

the breaker system the way it is is excellent. I love the fact that it costs resources and forces the opponent to think about how essential breaking each combo is rather than just throwing it out and the being the aggressor (like mk 9). It's a very good tool and you shouldn't be able to use it every single time you get hit with a full combo, i like how it has a mind game and consequences behind it. The run and stamina bar mechanics have added so many more mind games and in my opinion so much more depth and i love it

 

[Sultani]

this doesnt need to turn into another discussion about mixups, 50/50s, opening people up, playing footsies, etc.

Its a discussion about breaker penalties and stam cooldowns. Thats it.

1. Certain characters rely more on stamina than others.

2. That means the penalty for using the breaker is more limiting for certain characters than it is for others.

3. if you think the cooldown is alright, that means you also think stamina reliant characters deserve a more severe penalty for breaking.

Why?

 

[xWildx]

It feels like it takes just a bit too long to start recharging IMO.

 

[Tom Brady]

What about in a 50/50 heavy game such as this? Sometimes people guess wrong. Not saying you have a right to escape. But if you have managed your meter well enough to have the 2 bars incase you guess wrong, Then is 2 bars and 2 stamina and an extensive Cool down on stamina too much?

In other games you can actually bait a breaker or "burst". The opponent not only loses the meter but then gets re-combo'd as the burst whiffs. I'd say the meter + stamina with penalty cool down is just fine.

Being able to break out of a combo is pretty powerful. Some characters build so much meter that they can actually break twice per round. Penalty cool down is a good thing.

 

[Barrogh]

In other games you can actually bait a breaker or "burst". The opponent not only loses the meter but then gets re-combo'd as the burst whiffs. I'd say the meter + stamina with penalty cool down is just fine.

Since we mentioned other games, I would like to point out that MK managed to fill a niche for people who preferred neutral over setplay, among other things. So I, for one, understand why there are all these complaints about breakers not resetting neutral enough, so to speak.

That is kinda subjective, perhaps, but I want to see Sultani's issue addressed. Are you guys confident that more stamina-reliant characters have their share of compensation for their breakers being more crippling to them than to others?

 

[Sultani]

In other games you can actually bait a breaker or "burst". The opponent not only loses the meter but then gets re-combo'd as the burst whiffs. I'd say the meter + stamina with penalty cool down is just fine.

Being able to break out of a combo is pretty powerful. Some characters build so much meter that they can actually break twice per round. Penalty cool down is a good thing.

It still remains true that the severity of the stam depletion is more dabilitating for some than it is for others.

I don't think this is a major issue by any means, but I do feel that when applied, the penalty isn't the same for everyone.

 

[Tom Brady]

I just don't see an issue with it.

 

[Barrogh]

I just don't see an issue with it.

 

[Sultani]

I wouldn't even call it an issue that requires anything really.. Just more of something to keep in mind

If you rely on stamina, be mindful of how it is going to impact your play if you break. That's really about it.

 

[iMileena]

I don't like the fact you need stamina for a breaker , bruh its very irritating when you're getting hit with a 89% combo + reset & can't even break it cause oh i have no stamina-_-

You could have enough meter juice for a breaker but your stamina meter just like.. Oh nigga you thought

 

[DevilMaySpy]

What if after I break I am a character where run cancels in my combos are a necessity?

Think about that.

Yeah, this is really irritating, so I voted yes. As a Cassie player, I need my stamina, because if I open them up after breaking, I get nothing for it. You can take the stamina, I'd just like the cooldown to be faster.

 

[Big Pampering]

I just feel the recovery is really long. I think somebody just said 8 seconds? Reducing it by a few seconds would make it more fair for some characters who need to run for a lot of stuff they do.

 

[WakeUp DP]

Is there REALLY such a thing as too high of a penalty for escaping from a combo that would otherwise kill you? I'd say it's fine as is.

Agreed. I only wish that block breakers required 1/3 only instead of 2/3.

Give us defensive players options pls!