General/Other - Tempest Kung Lao Tempest Variation General Discussion

[Invincible Salads]

I'm not sure about Tempest and Hat Trick, but I see no need to buff Buzz Saw. It's my main variation and I think it's fantastic.

tempest could use a bit of a buff, hatrick is fine tho.

 

[Big Pampering]

Even though Kung lao isnt one of the stronger characters in the game, tempest and buzzsaw could complement each other if they made the hat spin useful.

 

[Clampa_]

wheres the 51% that ends with an uppercut and a throw back into the corner!! i know i seen it somewhere but i can't find it again!! Q~Q

That's my video it should be called Kung Lao Combos and Reset.

 

[The PantyChrist]

tempest could use a bit of a buff, hatrick is fine tho.

Hat trick is not fine

 

[Invincible Salads]

That's my video it should be called Kung Lao Combos and Reset.

where can i find the vid?


and panty, what exactly is wrong with hattrick? lol,

 

[Clampa_]

where can i find the vid?


and panty, what exactly is wrong with hattrick? lol,

Its in the kung lao forums, should be first page. Its the thread called 'Kung Lao Combos and Reset' or something like that. Just go in there and the vid should be at the top.

 

[Invincible Salads]

ah ok

 

[The PantyChrist]

where can i find the vid?


and panty, what exactly is wrong with hattrick? lol,

i will probably make a thread later this week. But I feel Lao is a high risk/ medium reward character and the draw of this variation makes him higher risk with less reward. Not saying it's not flashy and fun. But it is definitely his worst

 

[Invincible Salads]

i will probably make a thread later this week. But I feel Lao is a high risk/ medium reward character and the draw of this variation makes him higher risk with less reward. Not saying it's not flashy and fun. But it is definitely his worst

it gives great pressure though and space control. Honestly i think the issue that your talking about has to do with a lot of his strings being fairly negative....which is kind of weird for a rushdown character.

 

[Big Pampering]

it gives great pressure though and space control. Honestly i think the issue that your talking about has to do with a lot of his strings being fairly negative....which is kind of weird for a rushdown character.

I'll agree with you on that. Somehow some characters who aren't even rushdown characters have normals just as good or even better normals than kung lao.

 

[Invincible Salads]

I'll agree with you on that. Somehow some characters who aren't even rushdown characters have normals just as good or even better normals than kung lao.

honestly, majority of his strings should be 0 on block or close to it. thats what makes the threat of spin real, otherwise i don't see how spin is scary at all. if you can get a guaranteed poke because you know he won't be able to spin you out of his strings. (11 being the acception)

 

[The PantyChrist]

Most characters really don't have great frames on their pokes and strings, neutral is about as good as it gets I think

 

[The PantyChrist]

Also I would really only consider Lao a rush down character in the broadest use of the term. I personally feel he's more of a whiff punisher.

 

[Big Pampering]

Also I would really only consider Lao a rush down character in the broadest use of the term. I personally feel he's more of a whiff punisher.

He has a little bit of everything in buzzsaw. Zoning, space control, anti zoning and rushdown. But youre gonna want to be upclose against the majority of the cast. Compared to other rushdown characters the frame data on kung laos strings arent that good. This is a problem in the tempest variation imo.

 

[Qwark28]

honestly, majority of his strings should be 0 on block or close to it. thats what makes the threat of spin real, otherwise i don't see how spin is scary at all. if you can get a guaranteed poke because you know he won't be able to spin you out of his strings. (11 being the acception)

lol

 

[Big Pampering]

lol

he should have some imo. I understand that his frame data is the way it is because of buzzsaw but tempest really suffers from it

 

[Qwark28]

he should have some imo. I understand that his frame data is the way it is because of buzzsaw but tempest really suffers from it

What he should have you can't possibly suggest or know.

It sucks that X characters cannot use their Y variations, but something that potentially buffs the already good ones should never be universal.

It's like me saying that unbreakable doesn't do enough damage and the F42+13 ender of cryomancer should apply to all other variations. Then you have grandmaster doing 33-34% meterless bnbs

 

[Big Pampering]

What he should have you can't possibly suggest or know.

It sucks that X characters cannot use their Y variations, but something that potentially buffs the already good ones should never be universal.

It's like me saying that unbreakable doesn't do enough damage and the F42+13 ender of cryomancer should apply to all other variations. Then you have grandmaster doing 33-34% meterless bnbs

That is true. They don't have to make the buff universal though. I do think we should wait regardless of what I think of the character right now.

What is your opinion on kung lao in buzzsaw and tempest variation btw.

 

[Qwark28]

That is true. They don't have to make the buff universal though. I do think we should wait regardless of what I think of the character right now.

What is your opinion on kung lao in buzzsaw and tempest variation btw.

Tempest meh, potentially good vs certain chars but no more, assuming current information.

Buzzsaw is a great character that requires brains and footsies. Amazing B3, amazing wallcarry, amazing knockdowns, great combo damage etc.

 

[Invincible Salads]

i don't think its too much to change the frame data on some of lao's strings. As it stands, lao kinda counters himself with his own tempest which is kinda weird....i dunno lol. I think they should make his teleport 3 0 on block, as well as his f4. b321 -3 on block? b121+4 - 4 on block?

 

[Big Pampering]

i don't think its too much to change the frame data on some of lao's strings. As it stands, lao kinda counters himself with his own tempest which is kinda weird....i dunno lol. I think they should make his teleport 3 0 on block, as well as his f4. b321 -3 on block? b121+3 - 4 on block?

Stop, these don't make sense and wouldn't even really change anything.

 

[coolwhip]

Tempest meh, potentially good vs certain chars but no more, assuming current information.

Buzzsaw is a great character that requires brains and footsies. Amazing B3, amazing wallcarry, amazing knockdowns, great combo damage etc.

Does buzz-saw really have great combo damage? It's pretty whatever, especially meterless.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Stop, these don't make sense and wouldn't even really change anything.

his 4 being safe would give him a better spacing tool, and tele-3 being 0 on block would make spin live. im just trying to think of small tweaks that could help the character without breaking him.

his tempest definitely could use some tweaking as far as hat consistancy goes (and that completely pointless mb hattoss)

 

[Qwark28]

Does buzz-saw really have great combo damage? It's pretty whatever, especially meterless.

Meterless it's decent, with meter it's good enough off of a B3.

I don't think KL will ever be meter starved, that's kinda his main threat after everything.

 

[Qwark28]

his 4 being safe would give him a better spacing tool, and tele-3 being 0 on block would make spin live. im just trying to think of small tweaks that could help the character without breaking him.

his tempest definitely could use some tweaking as far as hat consistancy goes (and that completely pointless mb hattoss)

You don't understand how the character function if you think regular spin is what's supposed to check people.

You can give people armoured 4/6F launchers that anti air from any possible distance including point blank, destroy almost any unsafe cancel in the game, chase down backdashes and punish things 99% of other chars can't and people will still not think to use it.