General/Other - Kung Lao Kung Lao General Discussion

[MadPropz101]

Okk so you just came in here to bitch? I don't get it

Yes, and unlike most i at least spared you of a new thread

 

[dribirut]

Yes, and unlike most i at least spared you of a new thread

I'll def give you that

 

[Byites]

Have not played this game in weeks/months. Had a friend (who is a scrub) tell me kung lao was better than erron black. I cant even

 

[Big Pampering]

Ex teleport MB grab got nerfed to 32% from 41%. they are basically saying don't use this shit.

 

[Banazama]

Ex teleport MB grab got nerfed to 32% from 41%. they are basically saying don't use this shit.

Not that Kung Lao really needed it, but maaaan.

 

[Big Pampering]

Not that Kung Lao really needed it, but maaaan.

I mean we could make the case for any character and stuff they don't need. Another stealth nerf is that they nerfed the advantage on normal hat call back. It used to have enough advantage for a guaranteed string. Now it is just safe. I don't think these ''buffs'' change anything. If anything lao got nerfed because of tempest damage scaling and the biggest nerf would be the teleport combo, which might as well be useless now for 2 bars.

 

[Drew9795]

How much damage is Kl doing in tempest now that they nerfed his damage?

 

[Big Pampering]

How much damage is Kl doing in tempest now that they nerfed his damage?

kinda same 2/3% less depending on the combo.

 

[Banazama]

I mean we could make the case for any character and stuff they don't need. Another stealth nerf is that they nerfed the advantage on normal hat call back. It used to have enough advantage for a guaranteed string. Now it is just safe. I don't think these ''buffs'' change anything. If anything lao got nerfed because of tempest damage scaling and the biggest nerf would be the teleport combo, which might as well be useless now for 2 bars.

Well, I've only seen EX teleport grab used sparingly because Kung Lao's teleport game is not nearly as good in this game. The way the ex grab is designed feels more like a round closer or a way to get the life lead early. In which case ~30% should be enough. Also I don't think NRS wants a 2 bar tool to out-damage a 3 bar tool.

And I agree about Hat trick. I don't see any new setups form the Low hat trap since we lose our only cancelable overhead. And the frame changes on the call back hurt. Will have to see if the reduced recovery will mean something. My snap judgement on Tempest was wrong so...

 

[just_2swift]

Wow ok.

Ex teleport MB grab got nerfed to 32% from 41%. they are basically saying don't use this shit.

Not worth the two bars imo. Now if they give us MB grab with out having to MB Tele then I see the dmg nerf is reasonable. But Dayum....

 

[Big Pampering]

Well, I've only seen EX teleport grab used sparingly because Kung Lao's teleport game is not nearly as good in this game. The way the ex grab is designed feels more like a round closer or a way to get the life lead early. In which case ~30% should be enough. Also I don't think NRS wants a 2 bar tool to out-damage a 3 bar tool.

And I agree about Hat trick. I don't see any new setups form the Low hat trap since we lose our only cancelable overhead. And the frame changes on the call back hurt. Will have to see if the reduced recovery will mean something. My snap judgement on Tempest was wrong so...



Like 4%. Except for the stealth ex grab nerf.

I never use the ex teleport randomly. I only use it on a hard read if I think they are not going to do anything and expect an ex spin on wakeup. Hat trick stuff doesn't change much, haven't messed too much with it but low hat trap being low doesn't change anything because there is no mixup unless you want to die doing a f4. Prepatch you could block high or low, now you just block low. After b321 straight hat you have a lot more advantage now, but it doesn't grant you advantage on block anymore soo yeh...

 

[Banazama]

I never use the ex teleport randomly.

Well yeah, that's what I mean. But my point is more a matter that you are usually better off doing other things with Kung Lao (especially in Tempest) then committing to that hard read. I don't think it will be missed that much.

Hat trick stuff doesn't change much, haven't messed too much with it but low hat trap being low doesn't change anything because there is no mixup unless you want to die doing a f4. Prepatch you could block high or low, now you just block low. After b321 straight hat you have a lot more advantage now, but it doesn't grant you advantage on block anymore soo yeh...

Yeah. I got excited about low call back at first, and then remembered why I don't play that variation. With the removal of advantage on call-back and decreased recovery on set-up, it seems that NRS wants hat trick to be a zoner now instead of a trap character. Except Lao loses the regular projectile so he just becomes a sitting duck if he tries that style. Really don't think Hatrick is salvageable at this rate.

 

[Big Pampering]

Well yeah, that's what I mean. But my point is more a matter that you are usually better off doing other things with Kung Lao (especially in Tempest) then committing to that hard read. I don't think it will be missed that much.



Yeah. I got excited about low call back at first, and then remembered why I don't play that variation. With the removal of advantage on call-back and decreased recovery on set-up, it seems that NRS wants hat trick to be a zoner now instead of a trap character. Except Lao loses the regular projectile so he just becomes a sitting duck if he tries that style. Really don't think Hatrick is salvageable at this rate.

Just salty about the teleport combo, there was no reason to nerf it that hard and if anything just a few percentages but an 11% nerf is just crazy.

 

[Banazama]

Just salty about the teleport combo, there was no reason to nerf it that hard and if anything just a few percentages but an 11% nerf is just crazy.

NRS has had the habit of over-nerfing certain things., but it has gotten better in MKX.

 

[colt]

Ex teleport MB grab got nerfed to 32% from 41%. they are basically saying don't use this shit.

that's an error in the server data atm. It will be fixed soon / overnight-ish at some point

 

[Big Pampering]

that's an error in the server data atm. It will be fixed soon / overnight-ish at some point

Thank you based paulo. I will sleep well tonight.

 

[Big Pampering]

NRS has always had the habit of over-nerfing certain things. It's gotten better in MKX, but it looks like old habits die hard.

Delete this post, quick

 

[The PantyChrist]

I'm excited to try out hat trick buffs. It's a step in the right direction

 

[Banazama]

Delete this post, quick

I think my point stands, but since it's been proven that this particular nerf is a mistake I will comply.

 

[just_2swift]

Well yeah, that's what I mean. But my point is more a matter that you are usually better off doing other things with Kung Lao (especially in Tempest) then committing to that hard read. I don't think it will be missed that much.



Yeah. I got excited about low call back at first, and then remembered why I don't play that variation. With the removal of advantage on call-back and decreased recovery on set-up, it seems that NRS wants hat trick to be a zoner now instead of a trap character. Except Lao loses the regular projectile so he just becomes a sitting duck if he tries that style. Really don't think Hatrick is salvageable at this rate.

If MB hat call was un blockable it could save him

 

[EOTL]

I think the important thing is B22~hat trap is safer on block . Its -6 so Reptile and cassie can punish. B231 hat trap leaves more time for setups at the end of combosThere's a mixup now between b2~low call back into combo and b22 into combo.

Hat Trick still has issues mainly punishing things without a hat close enough behind them. 44 run b231 summon hat is 22% which isn't great but isn't terrible at the end of the day.
The main one I find is run cancel punish. For example if KJ MB Bo Swings on wakeup, you would normally run f23 spin to punish. With Hat trick you have to f23 summon hat and hope the hat is close enough for free pressure.

EDIT: Well actually there's no mixup because I forgot that you don't have overhead without hat. There's f4 but that's unsafe. I wonder why its a hat trap now hits low then.

 

[Big Pampering]

I think the important thing is B22~hat trap is safer on block . Its -6 so Reptile and cassie can punish. B231 hat trap leaves more time for setups at the end of combosThere's a mixup now between b2~low call back into combo and b22 into combo.

Hat Trick still has issues mainly punishing things without a hat close enough behind them. 44 run b231 summon hat is 22% which isn't great but isn't terrible at the end of the day.
The main one I find is run cancel punish. For example if KJ MB Bo Swings on wakeup, you would normally run f23 spin to punish. With Hat trick you have to f23 summon hat and hope the hat is close enough for free pressure.

EDIT: Well actually there's no mixup because I forgot that you don't have overhead without hat. There's f4 but that's unsafe. I wonder why its a hat trap now hits low then.

There is no b2 when the hat is out.

 

[Big Pampering]

Haven't tested this extensively yet, but hat call back on block could be an ex spin guessing game where you can make the opponent respect your pressure even though you are not at advantage or slightly disadvantage. Hat trick got better upclose instead of in a knockdown situation. At least that is what I am guessing right now. Ex hat callback still gets you a free string though iirc.

 

[EOTL]

There is no b2 when the hat is out.

I edited before you replied.

 

[BLOOD CAPTAIN X]

I'm excited to try out hat trick buffs. It's a step in the right direction

Me and you both my friend