Derptile
RIP Ex Smash
Ehh I can't really see where Kano loses on screen for that MU. He outfootsies and damages both of them.Actually i'm using Cutthroat Kano [ps.: nice guide, dude].
What specifically is giving you problems?
Ehh I can't really see where Kano loses on screen for that MU. He outfootsies and damages both of them.Actually i'm using Cutthroat Kano [ps.: nice guide, dude].
It's kinda hard enumerate because it was my first time using Cutthroat Kano in this matchup. My main is Grandmaster Sub-Zero, and I can handle this matchup very well with him. At the beginning I had more problems with the chip damage until I could get closer, but it's more a request for tips to handle better during the match.Ehh I can't really see where Kano loses on screen for that MU. He outfootsies and damages both of them.
What specifically is giving you problems?
Yea that's kinda where I was at with it to. I just wanted to see if I was the only one who thought that way. I just Dont see it being 7-3 sub favorin cyber I'd say it's easily a 5-5; possible a 6-4 for Kano. In the other 2 I think GM's constant clone threat stuffs a lot of the pressure CT and Commando can put on so it gets a lot worse. Though if you manage to just make good reads and armor through his clone consistently itll get a lot better, Though I'd still always play cyber in that MU.
Who told you that? Whoever it was clearly doesn't know the matchup lol. Cutthroat and Commando struggle a bit more than Cyber (who I'd say soft 6-4s him) but there's no way GM vs Cutthroat or GM vs Commando is 7-3.Is GM sub zero considered a 7-3 MU in Subs favor against kano? I was told it was and I personally Dont agree maybe 5-5 but not 7-3. If this is true someone shed some light on this for me because for the most part I don't have much trouble with sub
It's rough for commando. Maybe not 7-3 but a rough 6-4 at best IMOWho told you that? Whoever it was clearly doesn't know the matchup lol. Cutthroat and Commando struggle a bit more than Cyber (who I'd say soft 6-4s him) but there's no way GM vs Cutthroat or GM vs Commando is 7-3.
Yeah that's what I'm saying, they struggle a bit but not 3-7 bad.It's rough for commando. Maybe not 7-3 but a rough 6-4 at best IMO
I would say it's a lot worse for Commando than Cutthroat though. 5-5 Cyber, 6-4 CT, 7-3 Commando is my personal MU chart but I'm not that well versed in that particular MU.Yeah that's what I'm saying, they struggle a bit but not 3-7 bad.
Wait, you mean 4-6 and 3-7 right? 7-3 Commando confused me there lolI would say it's a lot worse for Commando than Cutthroat though. 5-5 Cyber, 6-4 CT, 7-3 Commando is my personal MU chart but I'm not that well versed in that particular MU.
Yeah. Sub has a lot of buttons that causes command grabs to whiff (b2 does it quite frequently, as well as d4), knives are too slow to really help vs clone, Kano has the least range in that variation so the footsie game is hard. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure it's a 3-7 but I will say I'm 100% sure it's the worst variation vs GM subWait, you mean 4-6 and 3-7 right? 7-3 Commando confused me there lol
I just think they haven't faced many good Kano's I could be wrong but I feel the same way as you. Cyber definitely is a winning MU and ct and commando 5-5 or at worst 6-4 sub but not by much.Who told you that? Whoever it was clearly doesn't know the matchup lol. Cutthroat and Commando struggle a bit more than Cyber (who I'd say soft 6-4s him) but there's no way GM vs Cutthroat or GM vs Commando is 7-3.
Lol yeah I wouldn't pick Commando for it. I'd be using parries more in the corner to reverse sides in clone pressure rather than grabs but it's still not great.Yeah. Sub has a lot of buttons that causes command grabs to whiff (b2 does it quite frequently, as well as d4), knives are too slow to really help vs clone, Kano has the least range in that variation so the footsie game is hard. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure it's a 3-7 but I will say I'm 100% sure it's the worst variation vs GM sub
EDIT: And you know that this is coming from the #1 commando upplayer lol
Yeah parries are great vs corner setups as if you guess right you bust the clone and get out of the corner. But since SZ can delay when he presses a button, he can bait it and get those 40+% shatter combosLol yeah I wouldn't pick Commando for it. I'd be using parries more in the corner to reverse sides in clone pressure rather than grabs but it's still not great.
Kotal says nope.Best footsies in the game?
On level imo or just slightly in kotals favourKotal says nope.
D4 and throw knives. The run cancel pressure is hard to deal with. Exupball is really all you got. Sometimes i try and yolo with an Exkanoball cancel into combo. But normally just got to take it and try and win in the neutralAnyone has solid exp in the Cybernetic vs. Dragon's Fire Liu Kang MU?
I've been running it for a bit and feel like I'm struggling in the MU.
Kano's neutral footsies work fine in this match, it seems. What I'm mainly looking for is advice against the run cancel pressure, with Cybernetic's tools. I'd prefer not to save all my meter just for EX Up Ball attempts.
Any info appreciated.
It's just not that great a matchup. He outzones you so it already sucks but then he also has a great close up game too with all the pressure he can put on. Also I wouldn't bother with ex up ball, I personally never really use it, if you're going to try and get out you may as well use ex straight ball and cancel on hit to get as much damage out of the situation as you can while still being able to position yourself how you like instead of just getting a mediocre knockdown and less damage.Anyone has solid exp in the Cybernetic vs. Dragon's Fire Liu Kang MU?
I've been running it for a bit and feel like I'm struggling in the MU.
Kano's neutral footsies work fine in this match, it seems. What I'm mainly looking for is advice against the run cancel pressure, with Cybernetic's tools. I'd prefer not to save all my meter just for EX Up Ball attempts.
Any info appreciated.
Commando does well but cyber better.Mkay, gotcha guys. Thanks for the input!
While it doesn't paint too positive a picture, at least I know where I stand. Seems like I'm handling it about as best I can then.
Would you say Commando might fair better in the MU? Parries aren't the end all-be all, but in theory they could provide an edge for Kano. My Commando is still pretty fresh.
I actually think it could be. You're not going to win the zoning war as Cyber, may as well try and slow his pressure down as much as you can with parries.Mkay, gotcha guys. Thanks for the input!
While it doesn't paint too positive a picture, at least I know where I stand. Seems like I'm handling it about as best I can then.
Would you say Commando might fair better in the MU? Parries aren't the end all-be all, but in theory they could provide an edge for Kano. My Commando is still pretty fresh.
Against Liu Kang? I disagree. I think Commando does better in this matchup the same way it does better against Tempest, better at slowing down pressure.Commando does well but cyber better.