Question - Reptile How do you stop Reptile?

[I GOT HANDS]

How does he get a 50/50 off of f21? On hit and block he doesn't have enough advantage to guarantee either option.

He's +6 on block after F21 EX invis. B2 is 11 frames, can't be poked out of. So, 50/50.

 

[Nuovo_Cabjoy]

He's +6 on block after F21 EX invis. B2 is 11 frames, can't be poked out of. So, 50/50.

Backdash, armour, jump back? Hardly guaranteed, you have plenty of options, PLUS he needs bar for it. No big deal.

 

[Mr_Swizzer]

First thing you can do is not let him get away with that mid overhead mid string.

 

[InFlames]

I think @ESG Jagged might know

@RagingRicans

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Backdash, armour, jump back? Hardly guaranteed, you have plenty of options, PLUS he needs bar for it. No big deal.

Well aware. I wasn't saying it was guaranteed, just that he gets to press his 50/50. Just because you can backdash or armor doesn't change this, I mean thats like saying 50/50 characters don't get a 50/50 on knockdown. I mean Sonya's MS is is the same deal on block, its still a mix-up.


Maybe I should have said "gets a mix-up on block" because any option your opponent uses is punishable into combo in some manner except for maybe ex-Punchwalk, but meh, semantics.

 

[haketh]

Well aware. I wasn't saying it was guaranteed, just that he gets to press his 50/50. Just because you can backdash or armor doesn't change this, I mean thats like saying 50/50 characters don't get a 50/50 on knockdown. I mean Sonya's MS is is the same deal on block, its still a mix-up.


Maybe I should have said "gets a mix-up on block" because any option your opponent uses is punishable into combo in some manner except for maybe ex-Punchwalk, but meh, semantics.

Dude in a thread where somone is asking for advice about a MU stuff like what you said is completely fucking useless

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Dude in a thread where somone is asking for advice about a MU stuff like what you said is completely fucking useless

That's nice, it was mostly intended as humour, you're the one who focused so heavily on it and mistakenly tried calling it out as misinformation which it is not, even if it is fairly straight forward stuff


It's also leagues more helpful to someone asking for specific match advice for A-List and DF against Reptile than saying "play Sub-Zero" or something similar

It's also shitloads more helpful than your entire contribution to this thread

 

[Zaccel]

I've played a friend who uses Reptile. In my opinion he's top tier. He's got everything. Good damage. Amazing pokes. Mix ups. EVERYTHING. How do you stop a character that is safe on everything but his dash? He's got great armor. He seems a bit extreme. What are his bad match ups? What or who destroys him? Leave your comments below and any advice is appreciated. I use Liu Kang Dragons Fire and A-List. I don't think Cage does well with Reptile. Liu Kang for me gets beaten by Reptiles SAFE ARMORED moves. And he loses the air game.

I only know my side of the fence, but I'll do my best:

-He does have everything, particularly Deceptive. Reptile's lacking in extreme weaknesses. It's little stuff.
-I'll immediately contradict myself by saying that while he does have zoning, it's not great. Reptile has great ground speed, but can't teleport, so in tandem with his shaky zoning it makes characters with strong space control and projectiles (Shinnok, Grandmaster Sub, etc.) headache-inducing. Raw forceballs can be punished pretty easily, or at the very least avoided to gain ground for free.
-Reptile's only safe armoured move is EX Invisibility, in Deceptive. Everything else is -15 or worse.
-In my opinion, Reptile's air game is on the weak side--his anti-air is great (if he has meter don't jump), but his aerials come across as ghetto Sub ones.

Reptile does it all--assuming he has meter (though he's better than he used to be at building it). Since you're having issues with his armour, look to bait EX db2 /db4 to keep him honest--the stronger your punishes, the better, since if he breaks you can keep him dry. If you pick up good zoners (or low fireball all day with Liu), Reptile has to get more calculated with his meter to keep the pressure on. Eating an EX bf4 in long-range situations loses you the battle, but wins the war. In regards to blocking mixups, expect the overhead when he's running dry--b2 is incredible and he needs meter to convert from b3.

Learning Stunt Double might help. I can't say for sure, but it strikes me as something that could deal with Reptile better.

 

[SylverRye]

Kinda sucks that the only solution ive mainly seen is "use X character and outzone/out space him". What if someone doesn't use sub,kang or johnny? What then? Im genuinely asking because this character gives me a hard time too with all his legit AND fraudulent tactics (d3 klaw into ex klaw and forceball run up pounce). The overhead is not something you can react to and a lot of his strings are safe, his specials are as well, minus the dash and slide and once hes invisible everything because a guess for a pretty good amount of time. Im just lurking here to pick up and solid information on how to deal with him.

 

[Osagri]

Is he rly safe on db2? Bd4 is punishable but it has very annoying blockstun which makes it hard to punish. I'm pretty sure that db2 is punishable too

 

[I Am The LK]

Kinda sucks that the only solution ive mainly seen is "use X character and outzone/out space him". What if someone doesn't use sub,kang or johnny? What then? Im genuinely asking because this character gives me a hard time too with all his legit AND fraudulent tactics (d3 klaw into ex klaw and forceball run up pounce). The overhead is not something you can react to and a lot of his strings are safe, his specials are as well, minus the dash and slide and once hes invisible everything because a guess for a pretty good amount of time. Im just lurking here to pick up and solid information on how to deal with him.

Whats your xbox gt?

 

[I Am The LK]

Is he rly safe on db2? Bd4 is punishable but it has very annoying blockstun which makes it hard to punish. I'm pretty sure that db2 is punishable too

Online plays a big factor in punishing moves. Nearly everything rep has is safe and the shit thats punishable isn't because of online.

 

[JustPressingButtons]

I think we should ask @ESG Jagged

 

[I Am The LK]

I only know my side of the fence, but I'll do my best:

-He does have everything, particularly Deceptive. Reptile's lacking in extreme weaknesses. It's little stuff.
-I'll immediately contradict myself by saying that while he does have zoning, it's not great. Reptile has great ground speed, but can't teleport, so in tandem with his shaky zoning it makes characters with strong space control and projectiles (Shinnok, Grandmaster Sub, etc.) headache-inducing. Raw forceballs can be punished pretty easily, or at the very least avoided to gain ground for free.
-Reptile's only safe armoured move is EX Invisibility, in Deceptive. Everything else is -15 or worse.
-In my opinion, Reptile's air game is on the weak side--his anti-air is great (if he has meter don't jump), but his aerials come across as ghetto Sub ones.

Reptile does it all--assuming he has meter (though he's better than he used to be at building it). Since you're having issues with his armour, look to bait EX db2 /db4 to keep him honest--the stronger your punishes, the better, since if he breaks you can keep him dry. If you pick up good zoners (or low fireball all day with Liu), Reptile has to get more calculated with his meter to keep the pressure on. Eating an EX bf4 in long-range situations loses you the battle, but wins the war. In regards to blocking mixups, expect the overhead when he's running dry--b2 is incredible and he needs meter to convert from b3.

Learning Stunt Double might help. I can't say for sure, but it strikes me as something that could deal with Reptile better.

Wish there were more peoplee like you who at least tried to help people looking to stop ridiculous characters. I use Cage A-List. And I gotta say Cage gets REKT by Reptile in all variations. Stunt double actually isn't as good as people say. He loses his good forceball with that slow crap. And when he loses his mimics he has nothing. No way to stay safe accept with the overhead. Without the mimics he has no pressure. No zoning. Thats why I stay away from that. A-List has more holes the a pornstar.

 

[I Am The LK]

I think we should ask @ESG Jagged

He's done with MK X for awhile he gave up.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Wish there were more peoplee like you who at least tried to help people looking to stop ridiculous characters. I use Cage A-List. And I gotta say Cage gets REKT by Reptile in all variations. Stunt double actually isn't as good as people say. He loses his good forceball with that slow crap. And when he loses his mimics he has nothing. No way to stay safe accept with the overhead. Without the mimics he has no pressure. No zoning. Thats why I stay away from that. A-List has more holes the a pornstar.

Unfortunately some people seem more interested in getting offended at the concept that their character could be strong or even have any strong options.

That post you quoted is pretty helpful, hopefully Cossner or some of the actual good players of this character not interested in downplaying can share some advice as well

 

[LucaTheRipper]

I think @ESG Jagged knows

@STRYKIE

 

[I Am The LK]

Unfortunately some people seem more interested in getting offended at the concept that their character could be strong or even have any strong options.

That post you quoted is pretty helpful, hopefully Cossner or some of the actual good players of this character not interested in downplaying can share some advice as well

Alot of people here do not like ESG Jagged and constantly tag him whenever im around because im his friend. It's cute. It doesn't annoy me but only gives my thread more attention. I've learned there's alot of these people on this site. And I don't expect alot of helpful advice on here. But the pkayers that are worth while on here are the ones I give my attention too.

 

[Phosferrax]

Reptile does not have safe armour.

Play Dragons Fire and zoning him all day. As soon as he does a flip and you block it, start your block bullshit.

 

[Tweedy]

I think @ESG Jagged knows how to stop Reptile.

@Red Raptor

 

[M.D.]

Good idea, make dash safe offline too. I'll take it.

 

[Zaccel]

Wish there were more peoplee like you who at least tried to help people looking to stop ridiculous characters. I use Cage A-List. And I gotta say Cage gets REKT by Reptile in all variations. Stunt double actually isn't as good as people say. He loses his good forceball with that slow crap. And when he loses his mimics he has nothing. No way to stay safe accept with the overhead. Without the mimics he has no pressure. No zoning. Thats why I stay away from that. A-List has more holes the a pornstar.

I say Stunt Double may be worth it because the limited zoning with mimics gets the job done, and because taking down and pressuring Reptile is the road to baiting out more armour. Anything to knock him down and keep him honest (Mimic/EX Shadow Kick bodies any forceball clean, for instance). That's not exactly Reptile-specific tactics, but I guess that's sort of my point--he's nothing special on his back.

 

[zoofs]

I feel Reptile fights upwards against the top 10 so he's definitely not top tier, but he's definitely a solid character finally.
I find his weakness to be safety: if you keep away and punish properly he's not all that great still.
What I think happened is your friend mains Reptile and knows the matchup better than you did.

reptile is actually one of the safer chars in the game, its just he has good risky gimmicks

 

[STRYKIE]

I'm reliably informed that @ESG Jagged can give up the hookup on how many Reptile things are not things

@Espio

 

[I Am The LK]

I feel Reptile fights upwards against the top 10 so he's definitely not top tier, but he's definitely a solid character finally.
I find his weakness to be safety: if you keep away and punish properly he's not all that great still.
What I think happened is your friend mains Reptile and knows the matchup better than you did.

After constantly labbing it out. I find it to be just the online that make him safer. Go fucking figure online makes shit feel wonky.