Chars that kill footsies in MKXL?

[MrProfDrPepper]

I think thats what this thread is basically asking. I know you specialise in lasher.

His range takes footsies to an extreme where most characters cant compete, or if they can its v difficult.

Lasher shinnock and grandmaster are good examples of characters with ridiculous space control that negates most of the casts footsies

Well characters like this exist in a lot of games, the space control domination of neutral aspect is generally very strong, however in order to fight these neutral dominating characters, your neutral needs to be very good as well, even if your character can't compete with the range, it is using your knowledge of the neutral to get in a situation where you are at the advantage.

 

[Eddy Wang]

B124 is not safe on whiff?

Each part of that string has a relatively large gap in terms of frames (not an actual gap). It is definitely whiff punishable.

F2 is genuinely a nightmare to punish with some of the cast, as well as this he has psuedo mixups off all of his crap.

B1 has a hurtbox f2 does not.

F2 captures them in the air better than almost any more in the game, b1 does not.

whenever a character blocks f2, scorpion loses his turn, besides f2 doesn't advance him forward, there are definitely ways to punish f2.

there is also ways to punish cassie, b12 is way safer on whiff or block, despite the gap, i didn't said anything about b1 alone.

 

[GAV]

Picture Fred Flintstone driving a Stone-Age Wambulance coming to rescue everyone.

 

[Cashual]

Mystic ermac. ex push and push are auto footsies. controls damn near the whole screen, almost nothing can punish it, beats crossover jumps even well timed on wakeup by somehow hitting behind ermac. the move basically annihilates the concept of proper spacing, whiff punishing, and even the poke game. ermac is negative and you want to d4? cool! sike, hold this ex push and watch him drain your meter and gain health.

I'm fine with the move, but they should hot fix the hit box. no reason the move should hit behind ermac given the animation and the fact you magically snap back to the "proper" side. it's not like sektors flame thrower ex or raidens vicinity blast, it's clearly meant to be directional so....make it directional. if I could crossover on a read that ermac will wake up with it (and what ermac doesn't) I should be rewarded with full combo punish

Edit: actually probably not the right thread for this gripe. mystic does play footsies with float mind games etc. however ex push is basically the kind of move that is never a bad idea and I think those kind of moves hurt the game.

 

[exflyingbooty]

Edit: actually probably not the right thread for this gripe. mystic does play footsies with float mind games etc. however ex push is basically the kind of move that is never a bad idea and I think those kind of moves hurt the game.

It's metered, while it is very good he does waste a bar and it's ok if certain moves like that are metered and require resources.

GM sub zero is by far one of the worst offenders, there needs to be a bigger negative to ice-clone since now i have to use armor to reset neutral which he thrives in order to do something. It's extremely unfair to certain characters.

 

[SylverRye]

1)Takeda with his long range whip attacks,
2) grandmaster sub zero and his clone
3) shinnoks hellsparks
4)smokes b21 string
5)alien and its long range b3, jump ins and f4.

Like i feel like when i play against these characters i either have to jump like a fool to avoid certain attacks (eg jumping to avoid alien b3) or relentless rush them down and armor when I get caught. feel like my neutral is really restricted . ..maybe its just me lol.

 

[Safe Armor]

1)Takeda with his long range whip attacks,
2) grandmaster sub zero and his clone
3) shinnoks hellsparks
4)smokes b21 string
5)alien and its long range b3, jump ins and f4.

Like i feel like when i play against these characters i either have to jump like a fool to avoid certain attacks (eg jumping to avoid alien b3) or relentless rush them down and armor when I get caught. feel like my neutral is really restricted . ..maybe its just me lol.

You're not the only one lol, I do Main GM, BS and Mystic so I can't really complain.

Smoke is bs but what is it about his b21 that breaks him? Idk much about him.

 

[SylverRye]

Oh and scorpion flame aura

 

[Renzokuken]

Kung Jin shits on your footsies.

 

[TyCarter35]

Oh and scorpion flame aura

Yea the active frames are ridiculous on that move where u think you blocked it or just out of range and think its ur turn only to be hit by it and eat a full combo off it.

 

[loogie]

These are the top 3 FREE and people will agree with time.

Smoke, Jason and Killer Leatherface.

Edit: Not Slasher. Relentless/Unstoppable

why Smoke?

 

[IrishMantis]

Any character who's name begins with S

 

[loogie]

1)Takeda with his long range whip attacks,
2) grandmaster sub zero and his clone
3) shinnoks hellsparks
4)smokes b21 string
5)alien and its long range b3, jump ins and f4.

Like i feel like when i play against these characters i either have to jump like a fool to avoid certain attacks (eg jumping to avoid alien b3) or relentless rush them down and armor when I get caught. feel like my neutral is really restricted . ..maybe its just me lol.

smoke b21 whiffs on a lot of duck blocking opponents ..and if he goes for a 214, then the 4 is a high anyway. b21 supposedly a mid but whiffs on duck block. this should have been fixed, THEN he would be OP tho

 

[ArmedCalf]

Oh and scorpion flame aura

This guy gets it. This guy understands.

 

[colby4898]

Special Forces and Sorcerer?

The homing missil and armour spell makes it difficult for the opponent to play footsies

 

[PLAYING TO WIN]

Because you cannot run/JUMP in on Shinnok like an idiot means he kills footsies?

SHINNOK'S SPARKS THEN MB THE THIRD HIT HAS A GAP AND ALMOST EVERY VARIATION IN THE GAME HAS A PUNISH.

 

[Tanno]

1) GM Sub Zero's Ice Klone.
2) Sorcerer Quan Chi's Armor Vortex.
3) UB Sub Zero's Parry.
4) Slasher Jason's Armor.

Those are the only ones that I can think of protecting themselves from the footsies.

 

[x TeeJay o]

Because you cannot run/JUMP in on Shinnok like an idiot means he kills footsies?

SHINNOK'S SPARKS THEN MB THE THIRD HIT HAS A GAP AND ALMOST EVERY VARIATION IN THE GAME HAS A PUNISH.

Lol

 

[SaSSolino]

Tremor because f121

Jason because b121

Shinnok

actually I play a lot of footsies with Shinnok, hellsparks are very minus.

 

[Colest]

Wait can smoke just smoke away?

Scar was showing this very thing on stream the other day. The distance Smoke travels in smoke away makes it VERY difficult to get consistent. Nine times out of ten, Smoke's hurtbox is gonna barely touch the clone during recovery frames.

SHINNOK'S SPARKS THEN MB THE THIRD HIT HAS A GAP AND ALMOST EVERY VARIATION IN THE GAME HAS A PUNISH.

Worse than that, third hit on block will whiff on a great many people in the cast because the pushback isn't far enough. If the first hit of the hellspark doesn't hit them on the edge of the hitbox for maximum pushback distance then it's likely the third hit will whiff. If you block hellsparks point blank (end of a combo string, etc.) the third hit will whiff a great deal of the time.

 

[xrzxrazor]

triborg(smoke) takeda(all variations) (gm sub) (kung jin) tremor(all viariations)
smoke: b2, nuff said
Takeda: whips and his free gap closer with bf4
gm sub: catches u once, puts u in the corner and 50/50s with 35% meterless damage all day. his jump in is hard to ant air. cross up impossible to anti air.
kung jin: instant j1 from jump distance, if jump whiffs he can do dive kick, his moves have ridiculous range.
Tremor: f121 has too much advance imo, and it the string has so much active frames that i find it almsot impossible to whiff punish as a smoke player and smoke is known for his amazing whiff punishing tools.

 

[Cashual]

It's metered, while it is very good he does waste a bar and it's ok if certain moves like that are metered and require resources.

GM sub zero is by far one of the worst offenders, there needs to be a bigger negative to ice-clone since now i have to use armor to reset neutral which he thrives in order to do something. It's extremely unfair to certain characters.

I hear ya but when doesn't ermac have a bar for ex push? haha

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

Sektor and ermac

 

[thlityoursloat]

Tremor because f121

Jason because b121



actually I play a lot of footsies with Shinnok, hellsparks are very minus.

What were they thinking making Tremor's F121 + on block? Why is a string with that much range also his pressure string? I honestly think they should swap frame data on s2 with f1, s2 should 6 frames and 21d4u4 should be +2.

 

[Tweedy]

Tremor's F121 is one of the easiest advancing strings to intercept in the game.

Jason's in a lot of cases is a wall.