Wondering why buff Quan's poke to 6 and not sub's?

JJV Phoenix · Sep 25, 2015

-narshkajke- said:
nice gif, your point habibi? lol

-narshkajke- said:
why are you so salty and in rage habibi? You're saying about how that ice parry is good, and I'm just laying it out for you how it's not worth your while. that is all. and isn't all parry basically option out of pressure? lol

Find one place in this thread where I explicitly said "the ice parry is good". Hint: "Good" and "good for something" are not the same thing.
If you can't find where you screwed up, then you are too stupid to know that you are stupid.

Matix218 · Sep 25, 2015

GLoRToR said:
Can everybody just forget your selfish agendas for a moment and see clearly?
MKX is a horrible game currently with a lot of dirt in the top10 (including my mains)
It might not be too late for community effort to make a big request on making things fair for everyone.

I disagree with this.

This recent Major patch is barely 2 weeks old.

Do we really even know enough yet to be making claims like this? There are only a few characters that most people consider unviable and often those also happen to be under used/under explored characters.

All I'm saying is that to make a claim that the game is horrible when we have literally never even seen or explored many matchups in this game (especially since the most recent patch) is crazy.

If you don't like the game based on its core design of being hella fast, offensive, rushdown oriented that is a different story but to clsim it is a horrible game is just dumb.

We don't know enough about the balance of this game as of yet to make these kind of statements

-narshkajke- · Sep 25, 2015

JJV Phoenix said:
Find one place in this thread where I explicitly said "the ice parry is good". Hint: "Good" and "good for something" are not the same thing.
If you can't find where you screwed up, then you are too stupid to know that you are stupid.

wow, that's not nice habibi, don't be a jabroni, lol

JJV Phoenix said:
Yeah...so do most of them. Liu's can't get lows. Kano has to make a guess of high/low on his and it has bad recovery. Kitana's starts up slow af. Sonya's has bad recovery. None of the aforementioned lead to a full combo like Sub's with the exception of sonya's EX parry + 1/3. If Sub's expecting pressure and you know there's a gap, you parry for a full combo. If your opponent staggers pressure and makes a read you get punished.

WELCOME TO THE CONCEPT OF MINDGAMES.

I'm just explaining to you based on this comments, that is all
no need for the insult habibi, I hope this experience made you humble.

The_Tile · Sep 25, 2015

I GOT HANDS said:
If we gunna justify Quan Chis buffs with "but the block infinites!" can anyone tell me what they actually are? If he was to lose his 6f D1 today would any character block infinite him? The LK one was removed with the same patch, the Takeda one wasn't known till AFTER the buffs, and was promptly removed in the hotfix follow up... I may be wrong here I ain't been paying much attention to MK over the past couple of weeks, so I'd love for someone to bring me up to date on exactly where we stand with this.

To bring you up to date. I don't believe there are any block infinites on Quan still, except Ronin Takeda's, even if he did lose his 6F D1. However there most likely isn't gonna be a patch for a while and these threads are pretty much useless. If people wanted something drastic to be done about Quan they should wait until close to the patch, the "#NerfQuan" train is running out of steam real fast.

And I still agree on our last discussion, the buffs were unnecessary and he'd be just fine without them. But no damage has been done yet, so people might aswell just wait and see what happens then start moaning closer to the end of the year if anything does happen.

A F0xy Grampa · Sep 25, 2015

JJV Phoenix said:
Yeah...so do most of them. Liu's can't get lows. Kano has to make a guess of high/low on his and it has bad recovery. Kitana's starts up slow af. Sonya's has bad recovery. None of the aforementioned lead to a full combo like Sub's with the exception of sonya's EX parry + 1/3. If Sub's expecting pressure and you know there's a gap, you parry for a full combo. If your opponent staggers pressure and makes a read you get punished.

WELCOME TO THE CONCEPT OF MINDGAMES.

The parry sucks because parries suck

DT Tundra · Sep 25, 2015

The_Tile said:
To bring you up to date. I don't believe there are any block infinites on Quan still, except Ronin Takeda's, even if he did lose his 6F D1. However there most likely isn't gonna be a patch for a while and these threads are pretty much useless. If people wanted something drastic to be done about Quan they should wait until close to the patch, the "#NerfQuan" train is running out of steam real fast.

And I still agree on our last discussion, the buffs were unnecessary and he'd be just fine without them. But no damage has been done yet, so people might aswell just wait and see what happens then start moaning closer to the end of the year if anything does happen.

I agree. In my experience (although it is admittedly limited) Not much has changed with his 6f D1. If he was getting beat to hell by a hyper aggressive rushdown char before, he still is now. It just seems more like a quality of life change, not something that has drastically changed matchups. I still detest his hard-to-blockable.

Rude · Sep 25, 2015

ATP2014 said:
Kung Lao CANNOT loop 11214 EX hat on ANYONE after the patch. EX hat has too much pushback now, and Quan can also backdash all following pressure for free at midscreen.

After mb hat Spin, Lao can blow up backdashes with f23. Even Shinnok's.

HuttonMD · Sep 25, 2015

-narshkajke- said:
wow, that's not nice habibi, don't be a jabroni, lol

Why do you constantly say habibi every other sentence?

The_Tile · Sep 25, 2015

Tundra_Arctos said:
I agree. In my experience (although it is admittedly limited) Not much has changed with his 6f D1. If he was getting beat to hell by a hyper aggressive rushdown char before, he still is now. It just seems more like a quality of life change, not something that has drastically changed matchups. I still detest his hard-to-blockable.

I love his hard-to-blockables. :joker:

In seriousness though, I couldn't really care too much if the hard to blockables stay or go. Any good Quan should realise his hard to blockable is his worst option of his vortex anyway, especially if he has no meter to make it safe... Well, plus. Otherwise he has to commit to a -50000 on block, "moderately" hard to blockable unless you get it down perfect. It's best to just go for an easy to hitconfirm 50/50 and stay safe with Puggles.

-narshkajke- · Sep 25, 2015

HuttonMD said:
Why do you constantly say habibi every other sentence?

I'm a friendly person, what can I say

JJV Phoenix · Sep 25, 2015

-narshkajke- said:
I'm a friendly person, what can I say

You do know that its use in Hebrew is something more akin to "beloved" than the Arabic usage meaning "friend", right? Really weird way to address a Jewish guy when you're talking about the ice parry...

-narshkajke- · Sep 25, 2015

JJV Phoenix said:
You do know that its use in Hebrew is something more akin to "beloved" than the Arabic usage meaning "friend", right? Really weird way to address a Jewish guy when you're talking about the ice parry...

so you're jewish? Can you call me habibi too?

HuttonMD · Sep 25, 2015

-narshkajke- said:
I'm a friendly person, what can I say

Didn't know what it meant lol and was reading it as a condescending term. Learn something new everyday

Even tho I'm probably right about the context you were using it

JJV Phoenix · Sep 25, 2015

A F0xy Grampa said:
The parry sucks because parries suck

But it's an option, an assertion that I've absurdly had to defend in this thread.

JJV Phoenix · Sep 25, 2015

-narshkajke- said:
so you're jewish? Can you call me habibi too?

Not in a million years.

-narshkajke- · Sep 25, 2015

HuttonMD said:
Didn't know what it meant lol and was reading it as a condescending term. Learn something new everyday

Even tho I'm probably right about the context you were using it

nah, I just wanna be friendly

HuttonMD · Sep 25, 2015

-narshkajke- said:
nah, I just wanna be friendly

Ok if you say so

zoofs · Sep 25, 2015

Xx-TGODPRINCE-Xx said:
Cause his jump 1 is crazy! Shit hits on both sides as soon as he is in the air haha

Why would that even matter if you have a block button

And @GGA Jeremiah why did you have to do this? I realize it probably wasn't intended but it's just another cesspool of unaware sub up players now

ATP2014 · Sep 25, 2015

Rude said:
After mb hat Spin, Lao can blow up backdashes with f23. Even Shinnok's.

A F2 follow up after blocked EX hat will beat most backdashes. However, Quan, Shinnok, Kano and Sub Zero can still escape this option. Kung Lao will only catch their backdash if the F2 is delayed. And if it's delayed, the F2 is no longer guaranteed, and all those characters can poke out on a read.

Xx-TGODPRINCE-Xx · Sep 25, 2015

zoofs said:
Why would that even matter if you have a block button

And @GGA Jeremiah why did you have to do this? I realize it probably wasn't intended but it's just another cesspool of unaware sub up players now

Just throwing a random statement out..... On a random forum...... This forum is about a fictitious buff. No reason to even quote me. Sorry I think subzero's jump 1 is good. My bad. If you don't your crazy! The jump arc in unique.

Dinosaur · Sep 25, 2015

A F0xy Grampa said:
The parry sucks because parries suck

STB Sgt Reed · Sep 25, 2015

haketh said:
The last thing we need is standard pokes for everyone, especially if all would be punishable, that's boring as hell

Yeah, cause why should all characters be punished for bad use of their normals??

Nah, let's just fuck some of them over. lol

K

Rude · Sep 25, 2015

ATP2014 said:
A F2 follow up after blocked EX hat will beat most backdashes. However, Quan, Shinnok, Kano and Sub Zero can still escape this option. Kung Lao will only catch their backdash if the F2 is delayed. And if it's delayed, the F2 is no longer guaranteed, and all those characters can poke out on a read.

Put Shinnok on Reversal backdash if you don't believe me. Timing is strict but can be done.

Rude · Sep 25, 2015

STB Sgt Reed said:
Yeah, cause why should all characters be punished for bad use of their normals??

Nah, let's just fuck some of them over. lol

K

You certainly can punish characters for bad use of their normals. It simply takes more character knowledge and skill than before.

Spacing is still a thing.

MK9 didn't have standardized pokes, either.

Quan, Kang, Mileena, Reptile as examples all didn't have 6 frame d1s.

M.D. · Sep 25, 2015

I can't believe after all this time, "It's too early" posts still appear.
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Wondering why buff Quan's poke to 6 and not sub's?

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