Kano Changes coming in post patch hotfix

[Gthunda866]

Just wondering did the hotfix even take place that fixes Kano's up ball?

 

[M2Dave]

Just wondering did the hotfix even take place that fixes Kano's up ball?

Not yet as far as I know.

It could take place later this week. Who knows.

 

[kinger]

Im just happy f3 is a low hit now i could care a less if they nerf knife and upball cause the upball should have a worse recovery if u ask me.

 

[Zebster]

Got a tip from Paulo Garcia during devildigimon's stream that the kano hotfix should be out by now.

 

[Gthunda866]

Got a tip from Paulo Garcia during devildigimon's stream that the kano hotfix should be out by now.

Thank the lord all haters please leave because your benevolent up ball is gone that everyone loves to hate on, I can play Kano now without people calling me out hopefully my new sub-char Skarlet will not suffer the same fate

 

[M2Dave]

According to the TYM front page, the Up Ball has two more frames of start up and six more frames of recovery.

The Knife Toss seems to be the same to me, more or less.

Edit: On second look, slight cool down between the knives.

Kano is no longer S tier, according to Tom.

The whiners have ruined yet another character.

 

[Xstatic]

Yeah, there seems to be a bit more recovery on it, but it remains to be seen how much it will impact him. It is definitely not as bad as I was expecting. I feel the knife is still really good. With more start-up on upball, and more recovery on knife, I am wondering how the Raiden match is going to be affected.

 

[Zebster]

According to the TYM front page, the Up Ball has two more frames of start up and six more frames of recovery.

The Knife Toss seems to be the same to me, more or less.

Edit: On second look, slight cool down between the knives.

Kano is no longer S tier, according to Tom.

The whiners have ruined yet another character.

Ruin? No, ruin would be sending him down to the bottom of the list. He just isn't S tier anymore. Saying he is ruined is a kneejerk reaction to the change.

 

[M2Dave]

Ruin? No, ruin would be sending him down to the bottom of the list. He just isn't S tier anymore. Saying he is ruined is a kneejerk reaction to the change.

Knee-jerk reaction? Are you serious? Where have you been the past month? The Kano forum has had more threads and posts pointing out the "illegitimacy" of Kano than strategy discussions. "Ruined" may be an overreaction, but the character has been unjustifiably toned down. Admittedly, all NRS had to do was make the Up Ball more unsafe on block. That is it.

There are people who attend tournaments and who put a lot of work into the character. Then there are those who play online and whine about the Knife Toss and the Up Ball. It is discouraging to find out whose side NRS takes as far as balance is concerned.

 

[Zebster]

Knee-jerk reaction? Are you serious? Where have you been the past month? The Kano forum has had more threads and posts pointing out the "illegitimacy" of Kano than strategy discussions. "Ruined" may be an overreaction, but the character has been unjustifiably toned down. Admittedly, all NRS had to do was make the Up Ball more unsafe on block. That is it.

There are people who attend tournaments and who put a lot of work into the character. Then there are those who play online and whine about the Knife Toss and the Up Ball. It is discouraging to find out whose side NRS takes as far as balance is concerned.

All that is legitimate (except the online comment because you have no proof that they listen to the online players as opposed to tournament players), but all I was pointing out was saying he was ruined by this is too much.

 

[lobo]

imo he is still S tier. his knife toss doesn't seem to be affected, and i personally didn't notice any difference in startup for upball, but it is now way more punishable...good kanos shouldn't be throwing that out on block anyway, and it is still one of the best AA tools in the game. i don't see how this hurt him much.

also it looks like they just added recovery frames without altering the animation at all, so he like...recovers and 'skips/freezes' for a moment for those extra frames. lol NRS.

 

[salvificblood]

Knee-jerk reaction? Are you serious? Where have you been the past month? The Kano forum has had more threads and posts pointing out the "illegitimacy" of Kano than strategy discussions. "Ruined" may be an overreaction, but the character has been unjustifiably toned down. Admittedly, all NRS had to do was make the Up Ball more unsafe on block. That is it.

There are people who attend tournaments and who put a lot of work into the character. Then there are those who play online and whine about the Knife Toss and the Up Ball. It is discouraging to find out whose side NRS takes as far as balance is concerned.

I don't understand why you're having a dig at online players here, since the Kano upball was just one of those moves a lot of people thought recovered too fast on block.

 

[MagicMan357]

glad the ball is getting a nerf, but he needs to get his damage scaling fixed because its way to strict. I dont get NRS's philosophy on character design. Fast and medium characters are able to pull off crazy damage but people who are actual powerhouses are stuck within a certain range? I would also like to see a better use of the EX knives instead of just another combo ender :/

 

[G4S KT]

glad the ball is getting a nerf, but he needs to get his damage scaling fixed because its way to strict. I dont get NRS's philosophy on character design. Fast and medium characters are able to pull off crazy damage but people who are actual powerhouses are stuck within a certain range? I would also like to see a better use of the EX knives instead of just another combo ender :/

The majority of Kano's damage comes from specials, not combos. At least for me anyway.

 

[MagicMan357]

The majority of Kano's damage comes from specials, not combos. At least for me anyway.

If you do a 37% then add an EX ball its 38% WTF

Plus it used to be 39 but the nerf it by 1%? I dont get the logic at all

 

[Lyuben]

Kano did have a moment where he was completely broken. As a Sub-Zero player I felt it worst. I have no teleport. I have no fast projectile. EX ice ball gets stopped as soon as a knife touches it. If I try to dash block then I eat a tone of chip damage followed by braindead upballing which seemed to be impossible to punish.

Up ball may be fixed but the knife should also be brought in line. Either in terms of damage... a seriously fast projectile with very little recovery and high damage. Too good to be true. It needs a downside. Whether that is a fast projectile with larger recovery and medium damage or some other combination.

 

[MagicMan357]

Kano did have a moment where he was completely broken. As a Sub-Zero player I felt it worst. I have no teleport. I have no fast projectile. EX ice ball gets stopped as soon as a knife touches it. If I try to dash block then I eat a tone of chip damage followed by braindead upballing which seemed to be impossible to punish.

Up ball may be fixed but the knife should also be brought in line. Either in terms of damage... a seriously fast projectile with very little recovery and high damage. Too good to be true. It needs a downside. Whether that is a fast projectile with larger recovery and medium damage or some other combination.

dash block or jump over it, i have no issue when im sub

People need to actually look for broken things, not stuff that they havent learned to by pass

 

[ADR Napalm]

Kano did have a moment where he was completely broken. As a Sub-Zero player I felt it worst. I have no teleport. I have no fast projectile. EX ice ball gets stopped as soon as a knife touches it. If I try to dash block then I eat a tone of chip damage followed by braindead upballing which seemed to be impossible to punish.

Up ball may be fixed but the knife should also be brought in line. Either in terms of damage... a seriously fast projectile with very little recovery and high damage. Too good to be true. It needs a downside. Whether that is a fast projectile with larger recovery and medium damage or some other combination.

You are the exact reason why NRS does the stupid shit they do in the first place, just because YOU'RE to incompetent to deal with something, you cry nerf, and the stupid team listens. You're a pussy, and should not be playing this game. The masses of people who act the way you act is what ruins good fighting games. Go play in traffic.

 

[Gthunda866]

You are the exact reason why NRS does the stupid shit they do in the first place, just because YOU'RE to incompetent to deal with something, you cry nerf, and the stupid team listens. You're a pussy, and should not be playing this game. The masses of people who act the way you act is what ruins good fighting games. Go play in traffic.

Lol this guy^........

 

[Dark_Rob]

You are the exact reason why NRS does the stupid shit they do in the first place, just because YOU'RE to incompetent to deal with something, you cry nerf, and the stupid team listens. You're a pussy, and should not be playing this game. The masses of people who act the way you act is what ruins good fighting games. Go play in traffic.

You could have said this without having to insult the guy. This is the 2nd time since youve been on TYM that Ive had to say something to you about your mouth. Next time Im gonna wash your mouth out with an infraction. Bank on it.

 

[chessmaster]

Knee-jerk reaction? Are you serious? Where have you been the past month? The Kano forum has had more threads and posts pointing out the "illegitimacy" of Kano than strategy discussions. "Ruined" may be an overreaction, but the character has been unjustifiably toned down. Admittedly, all NRS had to do was make the Up Ball more unsafe on block. That is it.

There are people who attend tournaments and who put a lot of work into the character. Then there are those who play online and whine about the Knife Toss and the Up Ball. It is discouraging to find out whose side NRS takes as far as balance is concerned.

well i have to say that nrs picked the right side on this one. not that i completely agree but people were just going to keep bitching until something happened. and seeing as how the number of people who play online alone is way more than the number of people who play in tournaments, they did the right thing in giving the scrubs what they wanted. i completely agree though all they needed to do was fix the up ball. the knives were fine but of course people had to bitch about that. the truth is people are going to naturally bitch on here until everybody besides their character is shitty. thats why i never commit myself to a "main".

 

[wEEman33]

Did they really touch the knives, or are people just imagining a placebo effect?

All I see in the "official" patch log is added startup and recovery to the upball, which is exactly what Kano needed.

 

[colt]

from data-mining the server logs it looks like Kano hasn't won a single round online in the last 24 hours.

 

[chessmaster]

from data-mining the server logs it looks like Kano hasn't won a single round online in the last 24 hours.

how did you figure that out?

 

[Xstatic]

Did they really touch the knives, or are people just imagining a placebo effect?

All I see in the "official" patch log is added startup and recovery to the upball, which is exactly what Kano needed.

I'd like to know this too. Since they didn't touch the damage, I think we were looking for frame changes. They didn't mention anything with the knife, but gave us detailed frame differences on the upball.