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Discussion Why Alien Should Be Banned.

Should Alien Be Banned Until He Gets Fixed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 153 54.1%
  • No

    Votes: 130 45.9%

  • Total voters
    283

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
I agree it shouldnt stay, but at the same time, it is not warranted a ban either. Many things (not just alien) has to go, but none if it warrants bans. The closest banworthy character IMO was pre-pre patch tanya lol
we all know u just want to save your precious alien so you can body everyone at evo with this tech :DOGE
 

Take$$$

gotta take it to make it
Piercing mileena and shotgun jaqui say hi....
Also this is absolutely NOT too much. It just means you have to adjust your overheads or lows in case this occurs, and an easy answer to that is microstep into a mixup. 9/10 times, the spacing you were looking at for those mixups would never hit because you are in NEUTRAL. If this was a consistent problem say on okizemi, its potentislly banworthy yea, but essentially, your overhead whiffs because its not connecting with her hurtbox. Which means, you need to alter spacing.
5 minutes in the lab does the trick :)
I think you're really underestimating the strength of these glitches and the frequency at which they'll occur. Lab it up sure, it'll help avoid this stuff happening as often, but they are going to happen and have a significant impact on the round when they do. We haven't even found everything he can do with this rule breaking hurtbox.
 

SonicFox5000

The Best.
I think you're really underestimating the strength of these glitches and the frequency at which they'll occur. Lab it up sure, it'll help avoid this stuff happening as often, but they are going to happen and have a significant impact on the round when they do. We haven't even found everything he can do with this rule breaking hurtbox.
No because typically, things are banned due to how they effect the flow of the game, or do something that is completely out of other characters league. Everycharacter can deal with this, it makes MU's like triborg more annoying, but they are things that will pass over peoples heads. On top of that, this for now makes Alien different because you can now dodge things on the last pixels, which again seems rare to do anyway. And spacing comes with fundamentals, so if you know Alien has a different hurtbox than typical, treat it accordingly. I feel we are coming full circle now here so with that being said, good day. Facts are there. Means you gotta get your fundamentals up to par woth her different hurtbox and note fully spaced attacks may whiff. Nobody is going to pick up Alien and win off of this. That usually dictates a ban too btw if you can win solely off of broken tech that is out of everyone elses league. This just makes her annoying to hit sometimes is all. Approach differently.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
I find it ironinc that some of the same people show up to cry in every similar thread (based on what someone told them) without actually hitting the lab themselves to see how universal some of these things are across the cast.

Sonic is regulating a lot of people in this thread (based on the LAB), and most people aren't listening because their mind was already made up before the discussion started.

Kudos to Fox though for not being afraid of being disagreed with (and running away), still taking the time to post constructively and discuss info even when it's controversial. If the best of all MKX players isn't too high and mighty to actually have a dialouge with people, no one else should have any excuse.
 

Take$$$

gotta take it to make it
No because typically, things are banned due to how they effect the flow of the game, or do something that is completely out of other characters league. Everycharacter can deal with this, it makes MU's like triborg more annoying, but they are things that will pass over peoples heads. On top of that, this for now makes Alien different because you can now dodge things on the last pixels, which again seems rare to do anyway. And spacing comes with fundamentals, so if you know Alien has a different hurtbox than typical, treat it accordingly. I feel we are coming full circle now here so with that being said, good day. Facts are there. Means you gotta get your fundamentals up to par woth her different hurtbox and note fully spaced attacks may whiff. Nobody is going to pick up Alien and win off of this. That usually dictates a ban too btw if you can win solely off of broken tech that is out of everyone elses league. This just makes her annoying to hit sometimes is all. Approach differently.
Yeah we're just gonna end up talking about it in circles. The way we view the impact of these bugs are clearly different and that's where people gotta choose.
 

Nuovo_Cabjoy

G O R O B O Y S
This shit's too funny. TYM finally gets some info regarding how to deal with Alien from undoubtedly one of two of the most reliable sources (@SonicFox5000 and @cR Dragon), yet still won't listen. I feel like I've got a fairly strong grasp of the game and meta, but I STILL wan't to hear all of the top players perspectives on everything. Let's take what they offer with gratitude and build talking points rather block our ears yeah?
 

navaroNe

Nobody's afraid of Bruce Wayne
can't really ban a character for something like this, wouldn't be fair to alien players since it's not something they can really actively try to do, just happens so I'm just putting my faith in NRS that they will fix this and similar hitbox issues
 

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
This shit's too funny. TYM finally gets some info regarding how to deal with Alien from undoubtedly one of two of the most reliable sources (@SonicFox5000 and @cR Dragon), yet still won't listen. I feel like I've got a fairly strong grasp of the game and meta, but I STILL wan't to hear all of the top players perspectives on everything. Let's take what they offer with gratitude and build talking points rather block our ears yeah?
because thats not good enough, we demand BLOOD!.....err, bans......Cola?
 

DarkFire*

Your halo is mine.
I'll summarize the way I see this in 4 questions.

Is Alien top tier? Yes.

Should this be hotfixed? Yes.

Should Alien be banned? Nah.

Am I an Alien player? Nope.

Honestly, I'm just one to really hesitate on banning characters. It's pretty extreme IMO. It's not like he's one touch killing you or something (which btw practically existed in MK9 with Cyrax, and we let him rock despite that being FAR worse IMO lol) so why not let Alien play?
 

stamatis

Όσα δε φτάνει η αλεπού. ........
Really,is this your problem?you posted some things that could happen........sometime during a match.
When Johnny has the best mid in the game and after that he is plus 1,000,000,when he can cancel it on whiff and besides that he gets buffs.........is really Alien your problem?
 
Some of the responses in this thread remind me of when Dizzy posted his OS Video on getting around Tarkatan Rekkas. Some took the information to heart while many sat around arguing about how cheap an OS was, or how they should not be in the game.

Here Fox is explaining the stance on Alien (While admitting she's top Tier) and it's like a few individuals are opting to not listen at all.

 

Tweedy

Noob
Man some of the people on here complaining I've played them. They don't know that EX blade spin ends in an overhead.

But they're going to get my character banned and ruin my first major. Great community.

Are other games like this? Can noobs attempt to get characters banned on Street Fighter? Can people say that the most unsafe character is way too safe and be taken seriously?

Edit: Thank you, Sonic.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Man some of the people on here complaining I've played them. They don't know that EX blade spin ends in an overhead.

But they're going to get my character banned and ruin my first major. Great community.

Are other games like this? Can noobs attempt to get characters banned on Street Fighter? Can people say that the most unsafe character is way too safe and be taken seriously?

Edit: Thank you, Sonic.
He's not the most unsafe character, come on now.
 

Tweedy

Noob
Lets ban a character that might not be the best in the game, because he has some hitbox issues that are shared by other characters.

It's so gross that more people have voted yes than no.
 

Tweedy

Noob
He's not the most unsafe character, come on now.
He's definitely safe. 7% mix ups and he's punishable half of the time, needs meter to launch and is unsafe.

Dude he's the new Kobu Jutsu. Bro all my armors get baited when he's -15. THOSE MINUS FIFTEEN STAGGERS THO