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Question - Summoner What improvements would you like to see with summoner for kp2?

Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
STB Shujinkydink said:
None of that's broken, it's all he has man. Take that away and he's Kenshi tier.
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No

NO NO NO

Last time I checked, even if I took that away, kenshi doesn't have:
+14 launchers
A low and OH except kenjutsu which in kenjutsu he can't cancel into a +14 low launcher to make plus
6f d1
Mix ups for days
Kenshi doesn't have a backdash
1/2 screen reaching JIp
A flying bat w mix ups and free get out of jail make everything safe card
5f NJP w a hit box that's 3 miles wide and high and active for eternity
Hex spells granting 50% 1 bar combos on block
Armor spells
11F low reversal w armor launcher
A d3 that goes lower than most mids
A HKD throw that guarantees a rune check

Brb I'm about to vomit
 
God Confirm

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Hmmm how to improve Summoners balance... Well for starters, remove the hard to block able, bring autoblock back to skulls...

SaltShaker said:
Though for buffs yall could probably use more plus frames on D1 hits for a mixup setup since it's so negative on block, and a safe EX wakeup for Warlock since it's the only variation that actually has one. Don't hurt me TYM. -.-
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Just no, on both. I would absolutely love D1 buffs for Warlock it's practically the only hole in his entire game, but it would make Summoner fucking ridiculous and to be honest probably Warlock too. Enough frames to give him a mixup? Sheesh he would be even stronger than before even with your nerfs. That's ridiculous. As for his reversal, it's fast , advancing, low hitting and you can already convert for over 60% damage if you are cornered by your opponent and have the meter for it, AND it gives you the corner. It really does NOT need to be safe as well or it's simply mindless.
 
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STB Shujinkydink

STB Shujinkydink

Burning down in flames for kicks
Pig Of The Hut said:
No

NO NO NO

Last time I checked, even if I took that away, kenshi doesn't have:
+14 launchers
A low and OH except kenjutsu which in kenjutsu he can't cancel into a +14 low launcher to make plus
6f d1
Mix ups for days
Kenshi doesn't have a backdash
1/2 screen reaching JIp
A flying bat w mix ups and free get out of jail make everything safe card
5f NJP w a hit box that's 3 miles wide and high and active for eternity
Hex spells granting 50% 1 bar combos on block
Armor spells
11F low reversal w armor launcher
A d3 that goes lower than most mids
A HKD throw that guarantees a rune check

Brb I'm about to vomit
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Dude you're such a downplayer. Kenshi has a lot of untapped potential, especially in possessed
 
OnlineSkunk

OnlineSkunk

Noob
STB Shujinkydink said:
Quite a few, and I believe only 2 top 3 placings. That's unacceptable
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If a character isn't placing top 8 in every major and placing top 3 on most of them then they clearly need buffs, I have a question for you.

How many majors had Kitana won if it wasn't because of Sonic Fox picking her up, what if Erron Black wasn't his main. What about Sub Zero? he's DJT pocket character and you one can arguably say he isn't placing either given the fact DJT chooses him for certain MUs only.
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
God Confirm said:
Just no, on both. I would absolutely love D1 buffs for Warlock it's practically the only hole in his entire game, but it would make Summoner fucking ridiculous and to be honest probably Warlock too. Enough frames to give him a mixup? Sheesh he would be even stronger than before even with your nerfs. That's ridiculous. As for his reversal, it's fast low hitting and you can already convert for over 60% damage if you are cornered by your opponent and have the meter for it, AND it gives you the corner. It really does NOT need to be safe as well or it's simply mindless.
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Hmm, good points good points.
 
OnlineSkunk

OnlineSkunk

Noob
OnlineSkunk said:
If a character isn't placing top 8 in every major and placing top 3 on most of them then they clearly need buffs, I have a question for you.

How many majors had Kitana won if it wasn't because of Sonic Fox picking her up, what if Erron Black wasn't his main. What about Sub Zero? he's DJT pocket character and you one can arguably say he isn't placing either given the fact DJT chooses him for certain MUs only.
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Edit: and I can name a tons of other character that haven't place top 3 ever
 
Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
STB Shujinkydink said:
Dude you're such a downplayer. Kenshi has a lot of untapped potential, especially in possessed
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This has to be a troll otherwise you just put yourself on Stigmata's IQ level by stating the following in one thread

1. QUAN CHI ISNT TOURNAMENT VIABLE

2. KENSHI IS UNTAPPED


If you're serious then I'll sum it up: Quan is good enough for MKX, you're just not good enough for Quan
 
Rude

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
Fair Quan Chi Nerfs:

(I swear I've posted these a dozen times)

Remove B2 pop-up.
Return autoblock after Skulls on hit.


(The above is how he's getting a lot of the ridiculous damage and unbreakable crap)


Increase the frames where an OH/Low hit from just a single frame, to 5 frames.

(Explanation: In MKX, if a low and an OH hit at the same time, one will be changed to mid. I propose that you take this property and extend it by 5 frames. All 1-frame blocks and pseudo-unblockables would be removed, Quan's mix ups would be easier to block, and he still keeps low bat. Fair. Balanced.)

These would address 90% of the Quan tearing.
 
STB Shujinkydink

STB Shujinkydink

Burning down in flames for kicks
Pig Of The Hut said:
This has to be a troll otherwise you just put yourself on Stigmata's IQ level by stating the following in one thread

1. QUAN CHI ISNT TOURNAMENT VIABLE

2. KENSHI IS UNTAPPED


If you're serious then I'll sum it up: Quan is good enough for MKX, you're just not good enough for Quan
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Hey it's not just me man. No quans have done well other than mike. If quan was as good as people say he is he'd be all over top 8s. He needs serious help to compete at the top level
 
Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
STB Shujinkydink said:
Dude you're such a downplayer. Kenshi has a lot of untapped potential, especially in possessed
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Also I've never been wrong about a character,
My history is uncanny w being right about tonsssssss of characters it apparently takes others 9 months to figure out

1. ZOD is top 5 (day 1 using him)
2. Aquaman is broken (one week in)
3. Kenshi Mkx is bottom 3 (3 days in)
4. MMH is fucked up will be top (day 1 in practice mode)
5. Cyrax is beyond dumb (mk9 month 1)
List goes on and on
6. Flash will take time but flourish big time (2 months in)
7. Sinestro sucks (before buffs)
8. Sinestro is broke (after lol)

One screw up I had was Sonya mk9, took me 5 months to realize she was actually dumb dumb dumb good

MUs I have been wrong on but stating character validity my track record so beyond the roof and I'm always ahead of everyone
 
Krabman

Krabman

Noob
Rude said:
Fair Quan Chi Nerfs:

(I swear I've posted these a dozen times)

Remove B2 pop-up.
Return autoblock after Skulls on hit.


(The above is how he's getting a lot of the ridiculous damage and unbreakable crap)


Increase the frames where an OH/Low hit from just a single frame, to 5 frames.

(Explanation: In MKX, if a low and an OH hit at the same time, one will be changed to mid. I propose that you take this property and extend it by 5 frames. All 1-frame blocks and pseudo-unblockables would be removed, Quan's mix ups would be easier to block, and he still keeps low bat. Fair. Balanced.)

These would address 90% of the Quan tearing.
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This would make me very happy
 
God Confirm

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
STB Shujinkydink said:
Quite a few, and I believe only 2 top 3 placings. That's unacceptable
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Perhaps the reason for this is possibly the QC players need to level up, not that we need more buffs for a character already the best in the game? KING certainly doesn't seem at all held back by the character since he picked him up infact he feels he's the best in the game, who else even plays then character competitively other than him and Michaelangelo?
 
Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
STB Shujinkydink said:
Hey it's not just me man. No quans have done well other than mike. If quan was as good as people say he is he'd be all over top 8s. He needs serious help to compete at the top level
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Chef (has a major win at a major you attended, where's yours)

Ketchup has an evo medal (where's yours)

King (placed top 8 and I think won a regional vs Alucard - where's yours ? )

Mike ( plehtora of top 8s)

Koreythedragon has won a regional

I'm at a loss here in amazement that post alone deserves a massive apology
 
Goat-City

Goat-City

Banned
Only thing I think he needs is to be inducted into the future NRS Hall of Broke right next to Kabal and every incarnation of Kung Lao that ever has been or will be.
 
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