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General/Other - Kano KANO IS LIKE, BOTTOM ZERO GUYS

I already told you it was my dream world. Where B1 and B13 are tick setups for both throws
Yes, those are my exact vsions as well. Maybe even 3,2 and command grab instead of the easy grab ender. the ability to cancel out of any part of 3,1,2 into command grab. 1,1,2 as well. If he has grappler classification in the variation then make it so.
 

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
People mentioning Kano's high dmg values on parries and throws - but unlike others with the same kind of specials, Kano doesn't do a whole lot of mid screen damage. His parries also requires a lot of finesse and matchup knowledge. Kano, regardless of variation requires a lot of dedication. I think Kano will be more popular as people achieve more matchup experience in general.

It's still early people, Kano will rise
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
I was never a fan of the up/downplaying mechanic. There is always two sides to every story, and then there is the truth. Despite my stance that Kano needs fixes, and a little here and there on each variation, I still play Kano and almost exclusively Kano. It's pretty well accepted that Kano, among others like Ferra/torr and Reptile have been passed by, and need varying levels of help to compete in the grand scheme of things. But that's neither here nor there. I wished that NRS just let the game sit and mature for half a year before even having the meeting where they discuss the meeting where they'd discuss balance. Only "balance patches" should've been FIXES to stuff that is clearly not working as intended(beneficial or otherwise).
The truth is if Kano was as bad as the rest of the community made him out to be he'd never have made it out of pools. The truth is all the Commandos didn't bother with tick throws and parries, as in WHAT MAKES THE VARIATION A VARIATION ON KANO'S MOVESET, and the Cybernetics were playing sloppy. The fact that there are people willing to play Cybernetic and Commando over Cutthroat must show something about how decent the character is. If they needed help to compete they wouldn't make it out of pools yet the majority did. Patches should apply to fixes most importantly but for some reason the rest of them have decided that patches are for them to request buffs and insinuate Kano is unviable.
Here this guy is again with the term "Downplaying". Theres nothing to downplay at all guy. Get a reality check, the character is dying fast and/or already dead. No one at this tournament feared a Kano, I mean there were more hype talks about Ferra Torr than Kano. The only reason announcers got excited about Kano on a stream, is the fact that theyve almost never seen one... much like an almost extinct Bald Eagle. We need help immediately in the next patch or the character is just a footnote. BTW.... the character shouldnt be garbage. He is the face of a Faction,BLACK DRAGON. Tell me, out of all the Faction Leaders, (Sub Zero, Quan Chi , Raiden , and Sonya) is Kano even close to competing with them? They all can break you open with strings that contain Overheads or Normal Overheads that lead to 30% combos.

P.S. the Kitana community must be pretty happy since the number one player in the world picked her up and won ESL and beat the piss out of most the top players at EVO. So yeah.... i kinda wanna be like the Kitana community if it helps my character become relevant again.
all they HAVE to do is BLOCK LOW.
And the fact you still ignore that throws are part of mixups tells me you're nothing but an ignorant ass that knows nothing about playing the character and you need to go back to the lab before coming in this thread and telling the actual Kano mains what's up. The community is downplaying, simple.

And SUPER LOL at the idea that the factions should represent how good a character is hahahahahahaha. Get the fuck out of here with that stupid shit.

Yeah Sonic did win ESL with Kitana, which proves that characters without overheads and zoners can clearly compete, which makes your incessant bitching for one void.
DAMNIT I WAS HOPING FOR A GODLIKE RANT
There have been some before, there may be more to come if I'm disgusted enough that it begins to affect the rest of the community.
 

DFC

Cutthroat Truther
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think Kano is unviable. I just think that he's kind of in that Grundy place where the patches passed him by and because of it he's dropped. I want fixes first and foremost. 112 should never whiff on blocking opponents, along with 2, 4, choke, laser, etc. EX knives should NEVER EVER whiff in the corner like it does. EX Up Ball should work as intended etc. I've always felt(and it's been largely validated by this and another community) that my views on what should be done to Kano are rnot over-the-top in any way. People have said they would be fine if EX Cyber knives were +10, or if Cutthroat B1 got a slight extension of range.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Oh don't get me wrong, I don't think Kano is unviable. I just think that he's kind of in that Grundy place where the patches passed him by and because of it he's dropped. I want fixes first and foremost. 112 should never whiff on blocking opponents, along with 2, 4, choke, laser, etc. EX knives should NEVER EVER whiff in the corner like it does. EX Up Ball should work as intended etc. I've always felt(and it's been largely validated by this and another community) that my views on what should be done to Kano are rnot over-the-top in any way. People have said they would be fine if EX Cyber knives were +10, or if Cutthroat B1 got a slight extension of range.
Fixes I'm fine with, cry for them as much as you want lol. It's the sheer volume of crying and downplaying and finding any reason to make it seem like some of the buffs being ask for are warranted that makes our community look like shit to everyone else. I'm not saying I wouldn't like buffs, but I'm also the kind of person that'd rather work on my fundamentals than whine for my character to be buffed instead. That's more rewarding, outplaying someone. You can play a top tier character if you want but if your fundamentals aren't up to scratch it won't mean much. I've before mentioned the buffs I'd like or at least the ones that will allow Cybernetic to go even with or beat some of the top tier variations (although he does that with some already imo) but I don't spend every second on the forum finding a way to insinuate my character is unviable and needs help when he clearly doesn't. This game is way more balanced, anyone can win if you outplay your opponent. Why not focus on doing that instead of relying on the character?
 

ando1184

Noob
Yeah Sonic did win ESL with Kitana, which proves that characters without overheads and zoners can clearly compete, which makes your incessant bitching for one void.

There have been some before, there may be more to come if I'm disgusted enough that it begins to affect the rest of the community.
But let's look at kitana for a moment. She is a character that has great mobility, combo damage, zoning, and unbreakable damage. You say she doesn't have an OH, but that's all her pressure is, it's the jump in cancels into a njp and strings into lows. That sounds like a pretty good package to me. Kano doesn't have these luxuries and what similarities he does have don't function as well or as intended. So using kitana is a poor comparison and doesn't mean squat. Especially when she has received more buffs throughout these patches than the entire cast.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
But let's look at kitana for a moment. She is a character that has great mobility, combo damage, zoning, and unbreakable damage. You say she doesn't have an OH, but that's all her pressure is, it's the jump in cancels into a njp and strings into lows. That sounds like a pretty good package to me. Kano doesn't have these luxuries and what similarities he does have don't function as well or as intended. So using kitana is a poor comparison and doesn't mean squat. Especially when she has received more buffs throughout these patches than the entire cast.
Eh? What are you talking about? Kano has great mobility and zoning too. You get what I mean by an overhead -____- as in a comboable overhead. Also really? Using jump attacks are overheads but then saying Kano doesn't have those? Lol. It is a fine comparison to make, Kano has *arguably* better zoning and much better footsie tools too. Honestly this just looks like another way to downplay lol.
 

DFC

Cutthroat Truther
Eh? What are you talking about? Kano has great mobility and zoning too. You get what I mean by an overhead -____- as in a comboable overhead. Also really? Using jump attacks are overheads but then saying Kano doesn't have those? Lol. It is a fine comparison to make, Kano has *arguably* better zoning and much better footsie tools too. Honestly this just looks like another way to downplay lol.
I think Kitana's ZOning is superior, as she can deny a much larger area, and her zoning can lead to serious damage
 

ando1184

Noob
Eh? What are you talking about? Kano has great mobility and zoning too. You get what I mean by an overhead -____- as in a comboable overhead. Also really? Using jump attacks are overheads but then saying Kano doesn't have those? Lol. It is a fine comparison to make, Kano has *arguably* better zoning and much better footsie tools too. Honestly this just looks like another way to downplay lol.
No it's not, I also stated that kanos tools that "are similar" don't work as well or as intended. I'm not downplaying, I'm simply pointing out unbalanced comparison. Since kitana received the buffs she did, she has a more solid foundation and comparing it to a character that still needs some maintenance is wrong. I'm not saying he needs over the top buffs or anything but he does need more help and attention. I do firmly believe kitana is a better character than Kano and I've believed that since the game was released because she hit hard and had unbreakable damage. That's incredibly strong in a game that uses so many resourses for breaker, on top of that Kano doesn't have unbreakable damage, 1 bar 40% midscreen combos, or aerial zoning. So yeh, unfair comparison. Kano has great zoning, yeh, thank you captain obvious, but that's it in the similarities department.
 

SaJa

FH_FenriR
Kano is the only character not represented in Evo's top 64. Therefore he is the worst in the game.

Discuss.

Except there's no reason to, because the results of one tournament that one time have spoken.

Salt goes here.
Goro & Jaqui were not even in top 1000. At any tournament...
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
This thread has fully convinced me that those that say he is viable know what they're talking about and those that say he isn't are children that just want what they want.

Players calling for Kano buffs are the same people as the Tanya mains that are crying that she is no longer viable, except they like Kano instead.



 

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
Kano has one of the fastest moves in the game, and the EX version is safe on block. Kano's knives in Cybernetic are amazing and decent outside that variation. He has an air gap closer for them pesky zoners.
Nrs has equipped Kano with a lot of great tools that none of the cast has. Where Kano falls short a lot of the time is the amount of meter he has to use in order to be effective.

Cybernetic of couse has the laser to extend combos, but I kinda find it hard to actually use it sometimes due to the relatively small window you have to continue the combo as well as the gap the laser creates. I find it somewhat hard to run and succesfully do my attacks in the advantage window, but thats probably just me sucking ass. Cybernetic also comes with a EX launcher during certain strings of his which is great. Aside from these things Kano's midscreen dmg is not too scary. Sure people talk about zoning, but Kano does not win games by spamming knives (or actually I do, but players with brains can work around it). Kano does not get combos off anti air projectiles like certain other characters does.'

Cutthroat is for the combo lovers but even this one is also kinda meter hungry. He does have one excellent launcher in this variation (thank you NRS) that lauches people for easily executed combos. However this string is somewhat unsafe which leads to the other string he has, b121 which is neutral on block and can be canceled into a special of your choice (usually the EX laucher)

Commando is probably my favourite variation that kano has. I just love poking into throws and chokes n stuff as well as those nice anti wakeups with the parries. This variation is also one of the most difficult to master, and very knowledge dependant. You always wanna be more than a few steps ahead or you can be punished VERY hard.

I've been playing Kano the most among the cast and I think NRS actually did a decent job with kano. I would like a somewhat smoother Eye Laser for extended combos. I think that Kano is very demanding in execution, right now people may laugh at this, due to the usual online knife spammers, but seriously, Kano is sort of difficult to use. Kano just needs some tweaks tbh - not buffs. I dont want him to have a ton of + strings n shit, I just want to be able to reliably hit my strings like the Cutthroat B121 when you're just a step away from the opponent.

Aside from that, Kano is a very good design. Very balanced but has some inconsistencies. #Kanoforever
 

DrFolmer

AKA Uncle Kano
As I said, it's still early. I dont feel Kano just gets completely dumpstered by anyone in particular. He has tools to deal with zoning, pressure, etc. Just because Kano didnt get top 64 or some shit in EVO doesn't mean he's "bottom tier"
 

VoyagersRevenge

AUGMENTED
For Cybernetic variation. Up laser needs to be tweaked or removed, and either give him more plus on ex knives or make the ex up ball safe and NO WHIFFING! No crying here, just sharing some viable ideas that have been listed around before. Kano is top 10 no doubt.
 

DFC

Cutthroat Truther
For Cybernetic variation. Up laser needs to be tweaked or removed, and either give him more plus on ex knives or make the ex up ball safe and NO WHIFFING! No crying here, just sharing some viable ideas that have been listed around before. Kano is top 10 no doubt.
I wouldnt list EX up ball as a cybernetic thing. It's clearly flawed, and needs fixing anyway. I think people should really separate buffs from fixes. People think "Kano needs a little help and love" is "MAKE KANO HAVE 40% METERELESS 50/50 WITH AIR PROJECTILES"
 

GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
For Cybernetic variation. Up laser needs to be tweaked or removed, and either give him more plus on ex knives or make the ex up ball safe and NO WHIFFING! No crying here, just sharing some viable ideas that have been listed around before. Kano is top 10 no doubt.
Posts like this I can get on board with.

Saying he's bottom tier makes me just want to laugh at you and dismiss anything and everything else you have to say about the game.