MKX Tier List Presented by YOMI (Rv1.0)

[Pan1cMode]

Quote me...

A Jacqui places top 8 at EVO.

Lol maybe not, but I do think she could surprise a lot of people.

Full auto could potentially make it if they get incredibly lucky bracketology and their opponents don't know the MU.

Or if she is used as a secondary/tertiary character.

Or if she receives the buffs she needs/deserves.

 

[Prinz]

I'm surprised at Kano's placement. I'd put him below Johnny, Liu and Kotal for sure.

 

[infamy23]

Stopped reading at Kenshi.

 

[Clark L.]

 

[Pan1cMode]

Surely learning a variation of a character you're familiar with is not the same as learning a new character AND a new variation. Which, in tournament, comes in handy.

I understand where you're coming from but aren't tier lists constructed on the basis of the highest level of (practical) play? Doesn't execution not factor into it?

Also, some variations are so vastly different it's basically the same as picking up an entirely new character.

 

[LionHeart]

Tempest Lao is rightfully in the Top 5 discussion where he belongs! I'm tired of the downplaying. Kenshi and Erron should probably be swapped though.

Why???

Don't get me wrong, he's VERY good (probably lower Top 10) but struggles to open people up in a game with a block button and only an overhead starter. He can't throw people to death each round, now, can he? You can OS his f23 string and backdash/punish accordingly.

Just don't whiff against him or you'll get hit hard (that's why -> Top 10). You can jab him out of his TP (even a 10f jab works) before he even gets his follow up to come out, except if he j2~teleports. Really people need to grind the Tempest Lao MU harder IMO....

 

[MajinRY]

Good list.

Does Ermac not have a comeback factor and mixups equal to Quan though?

Comeback potential yes. Mixups equal to Quan? No.

 

[EMPR_MURK]

I blame @YOMI Trepound380 and @YOMI Zyphox for the pathetic tier placement of my character.

You two aren't helping the situation here

 

[DevilMaySpy]

There's like, 3 people who downplay him (of which I'm one). Everyone else upplays him, if anything.

With you, 16 Bit, and PPJ being the most vocal

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

Nope, KJ is still S++ blazeupGODtier because he can confirm from anything.


I have been saying that KJ isn't even top 10 but nobody listens.


EDIT: shout out to top 10 Shinnok. Started from the bottom

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Why???

Don't get me wrong, he's VERY good (probably lower Top 10) but struggles to open people up in a game with a block button and only an overhead starter. He can't throw people to death each round, now, can he? You can OS his f23 string and backdash/punish accordingly.

Just don't whiff against him or you'll get hit hard (that's why -> Top 10). You can jab him out of his TP (even a 10f jab works) before he even gets his follow up to come out, except if he j2~teleports. Really people need to grind the Tempest Lao MU harder IMO....

Why would he want to open you up? His pressure is amazing, he does a lot of chip damage and he builds a lot of meter, not to mention that he can hit confirm into full combo. He can either be super + or safe. He has amazing air control, and great damage.

 

[Blonde_Huntress]

From most of the ones I've seen, I still think Quan is too high.

No corner or wake up answers. Pressure (of any kind) is basically his downfall, especially in Summoner.

Mileena is definitely not as low as she's been getting placed, in my opinion at least. I'd argue the same for Kitana, especially after the patch. She's(Mileena) one of the more balanced when it comes to variations (with the most recent patch). All 3 of her variants are pretty good. Ethereal is also a nice anti-Tanya variant. Saltface did a good job of showcasing her and placing quite well at recent tournaments (before the buff patch), so it's surprising to see her ranked as low as she is.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Nope, KJ is still S++ blazeupGODtier because he can confirm from anything.


I have been saying that KJ isn't even top 10 but nobody listens.

Who can hate on KJ during pride?

 

[LionHeart]

Why would he want to open you up? His pressure is amazing, he does a lot of chip damage and he builds a lot of meter. He can wither be super + or safe. He has amazing air control, and great damage.

Agreed. As I said, he's VERY good (Top 10).

But is he better than characters who CAN and probably WILL open you up and put you into a Vortex/carry you to the corner in one combo?

Probably not.

 

[DevilMaySpy]

Why???

Don't get me wrong, he's VERY good (probably lower Top 10) but struggles to open people up in a game with a block button and only an overhead starter. He can't throw people to death each round, now, can he? You can OS his f23 string and backdash/punish accordingly.

Just don't whiff against him or you'll get hit hard (that's why -> Top 10). You can jab him out of his TP (even a 10f jab works) before he even gets his follow up to come out, except if he j2~teleports. Really people need to grind the Tempest Lao MU harder IMO....

What you're ignoring is that a high level Tempest won't just throw out unsafe strings. They'll condition their opponent to do absolutely nothing with 112124 EX Hat. It builds insane meter and you can do this upwards of 4 times in a blockstring in a game where the maximum amount of meter is 3 bars. If he touches you in the middle of this blockstring, that's 37% guaranteed damage(used to be 40%).

 

[Brown Cow 54]

How can Kung Jin seriously not be top 10 with all of the incredible tools he has? I'm not criticising this list, I'm genuinely curious as to the thought process here. In my opinion Bojutsu is easily top 10.

Why not? It's not a crime to criticize the list just because it's yomi.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

From most of the ones I've seen, I still think Quan is too high.

No corner or wake up answers. Pressure (of any kind) is basically his downfall, especially in Summoner.

Mileena is definitely not as low as she's been getting placed, in my opinion at least. I'd argue the same for Kitana, especially after the patch. She's(Mileena) one of the more balanced when it comes to variations (with the most recent patch). All 3 of her variants are pretty good. Ethereal is also a nice anti-Tanya variant. Saltface did a good job of showcasing her and placing quite well at recent tournaments, so it's surprising to see her ranked as low as she is.

FTR, Mileena is pretty viable, but she's too honest compared to the rest of the cast. I don't like throwing out numbers 2 months into the game's drop, but she has some obvious bad MU's, althought non of them feel unwinnable. Which is a great thing. She can definitely hold her own against everyone.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

Agreed. As I said, he's VERY good (Top 10).

But is he better than characters who CAN and probably WILL open you up and put you into a Vortex/carry you to the corner in one combo?

Probably not.

TBH, he may be. He can take damage off you without being punisheable... While most 50/50 characters will get punished if they guess wrong, also his neutral game and the fact that he can jump aganst everyone, but nobody can jump against him is huge IMO. Not to mention his great damage again and his wake-ups.

 

[Temjiin]

Comeback potential yes. Mixups equal to Quan? No.

How do they differ? If you guess wrong on overhead or low it's 40% meterless. (MOS)

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

Who can hate on KJ during pride?

NRS give us a Gay Parade KJ skin plz or YMCA skin pack so KJ can dress as any of the Village People.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

NRS give us a Gay Parade KJ skin plz or YMCA skin pack so KJ can dress as any of the Village People.

Just give him a pink feather scarf and pink nails.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

People are sleeping on Kenjutsu.

Kenshi is top 10 "in theory". As with Zod and Bane; whether anyone actually uses the character well enough to warrant such a high placement is yet to be seen

This is where it's at. We'll see what Kenjutsu can do in the right hands, if someone ever picks it up. I guarantee it will make waves

 

[Slymind]

Seems reasonable.

 

[Metzos]

What you're ignoring is that a high level Tempest won't just throw out unsafe strings. They'll condition their opponent to do absolutely nothing with 112124 EX Hat. It builds insane meter and you can do this upwards of 4 times in a blockstring in a game where the maximum amount of meter is 3 bars. If he touches you in the middle of this blockstring, that's 37% guaranteed damage(used to be 40%).

The reason Lionheart mentioned f23 string, i believe, is because that is the only thing KL has as a low "mix up" besides down pokes. We do have a high lvl Tempest KL here in Greece and we have seen the extent of KL's potential AT THE MOMENT. But i agree with him that there are characters like EB for example who can open you up for over 30% dmg into a vortex knockdown using no meter and be safe as well.

Not to mention his other tools. I strongly disagree EB being at 10nth place and i dont know why SonicFox hasnt stepped up for that, unless he agrees with that placement which, i must say, will leave me speechless if he does agree.

 

[LionHeart]

What you're ignoring is that a high level Tempest won't just throw out unsafe strings. They'll condition their opponent to do absolutely nothing with 112124 EX Hat. It builds insane meter and you can do this upwards of 4 times in a blockstring in a game where the maximum amount of meter is 3 bars. If he touches you in the middle of this blockstring, that's 37% guaranteed damage(used to be 40%).

Why would he touch you in the middle of this blockstring if you are aware of the situation and know you can't push buttons? So what if he builds meter and does chip dmg? Cassie can do b2122+4~ex Guns to chip you out for 13,5% dmg IIRC. And that's only using 1 bar.

What I'm getting at, is that while he has dirt and is a VERY VERY GOOD character, the TOP 5 IMO have more dirt and therefore he doesn't belong there.

Essentially, I'm arguing (having a conversation with you guys) that he's Top 10 and not Top 5 LOL.