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Death

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Treadmill said:
all the people who mock online and pretend like it doesn't matter are full of shit. Online is where the majority of people get their experience and learn the game. It's the hipster thing to do to immediately go all "online lolololol I'm a pro I swear". Get over it people. The online may not be the best but it is the primary tool of most people including tournament players.
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Are we going to do this with MKX as well?
 
Paul the Octopus

Paul the Octopus

Slow Starter
Guys Tom Brady hasn't gotten top eight at a big tournament yet because his character isn't viable.

...Oh wait that excuse hasn't been valid since two games ago and since then he's played a top two character and a top ten character.

Maybe it's time for Tom and his defenders to own up to performance instead of blaming the character and making claims like trident rush and ice clone aren't good enough.

Maybe harsh but it's true. Results speak for themselves. At this point, the only logical conclusion is that Tom is a good, entertaining player but more top 16/top 32 quality than top eight quality. This could change but that is the only logical conclusion based on the past few years of results. No shame in this really but there is shame in the ridiculous excuse making.
 
Tom Brady

Tom Brady

Noob
Paul the Octopus said:
Guys Tom Brady hasn't gotten top eight at a big tournament yet because his character isn't viable.

...Oh wait that excuse hasn't been valid since two games ago and since then he's played a top two character and a top ten character.

Maybe it's time for Tom and his defenders to own up to performance instead of blaming the character and making claims like trident rush and ice clone aren't good enough.

Maybe harsh but it's true. Results speak for themselves. At this point, the only logical conclusion is that Tom is a good, entertaining player but more top 16/top 32 quality than top eight quality. This could change but that is the only logical conclusion based on the past few years of results. No shame in this really but there is shame in the ridiculous excuse making.
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I dont disagree with me not making top 8 yet in MKX.. But come on man.. IGAU? You bring that up? Aquaman certainly wasnt for me nor did I train half as much as I should have or did in other games. I just didnt understand the game or Aquaman... I simply faild because I wasnt good enough and no other reason.

That being said - I do understand Sub-Zero and, unlike Aquaman, I am playing SZ right. I'll refine it and get it together and I will be successful. But.. dont get all butthurt because your CB prediction of "tom will get beat and pools and bash the highest placing SZ player" because that SZ player was me.

Right now I'm only top 16 material until I place top 8 at majors and I have never disagreed. I'll train and I will be successful.

Also.. while I was wrong on Aquaman, I'm not wrong on SZ. He is not top 10, just outside of it. He is good and can certainly place top 8 but he isnt as strong as people make him to be.
 
Paul the Octopus

Paul the Octopus

Slow Starter
Tom Brady said:
I dont disagree with me not making top 8 yet in MKX.. But come on man.. IGAU? You bring that up? Aquaman certainly wasnt for me nor did I train half as much as I should have or did in other games. I just didnt understand the game or Aquaman... I simply faild because I wasnt good enough and no other reason.

That being said - I do understand Sub-Zero and, unlike Aquaman, I am playing SZ right. I'll refine it and get it together and I will be successful. But.. dont get all butthurt because your CB prediction of "tom will get beat and pools and bash the highest placing SZ player" because that SZ player was me.

Right now I'm only top 16 material until I place top 8 at majors and I have never disagreed. I'll train and I will be successful.

Also.. while I was wrong on Aquaman, I'm not wrong on SZ. He is not top 10, just outside of it. He is good and can certainly place top 8 but he isnt as strong as people make him to be.
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Okay fair enough that is a very respectable attitude. I'm not butthurt about my prediction being wrong at all - that was clearly a joke... I just think people blaming their characters for their performance is annoying, particular super early in the game when weaker characters' weaknesses aren't being fully exploited anyway.

It seems like you're not making excuses and are actually quite determined to do better, which I respect.

After reading that, I hope you do break into a top eight.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Treadmill said:
all the people who mock online and pretend like it doesn't matter are full of shit. Online is where the majority of people get their experience and learn the game. It's the hipster thing to do to immediately go all "online lolololol I'm a pro I swear". Get over it people. The online may not be the best but it is the primary tool of most people including tournament players.
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This is straw man. No one here is saying online players are bad players, or that online is useless. But this ranking system is being used to seed EVO. A lot of us are not a fan of using online tourneys to seed EVO(including Big D whose majority of points come from ESL lol).

Online is like you said, a good tool for learning MUs. But it is not a good tool for determining offline tournament seeding. If the netcode was closer to KI netcode there might be an argument, but this netcode straight up sucks. I've played tons of games online and a good majority of the them are terrible. Watching ESL a lot of players obviously are affected by the netcode, as they cant punish/backdash/armor a lot of things they do offline.

. Its good for learning what strategies characters use but most of the players I've talked to all have experiences where they can't do things like armor frame gaps, backdash backdashable strings, or counterpoke. Im sure there are people who has success training online. And there are some matches Ive played that have been close to offline quality. But the majority of the time the input lag is really hard to ignore.

I think ESL is great. I think the players that make top 16 are always great players too, and have either already done well at offline events or could do well. But seeding offline tourneys based on online ones doesnt make much sense. I also dont think they should use weeklies for the same reason, it just isnt the same as regional or major tournaments.
 
CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Under no conditions should online tournaments be used to seed the grassroots offline majors. If you want to use an online ranking system to seed online events, that's fine -- but at majors, conditions are the same for everyone there. Online, conditions can be random and everyone is subject to their opponents' connection.

Online tournaments are perfectly valid; they just need to be separated according to their own ranking classification so that someone else's internet choices aren't affecting your seeding at EVO.
 
HoneyBee

HoneyBee

Flash God Lord
bavobbr said:
Usually online tournaments are not used, but at the current state there are not many tournament results yet to base anything on, so any data is better than no data at all. ESL has done well promoting their tournament and get top players competing, even online. And succeeding, even online. That means that online at least reflects some skill in correct order.

I will add ESL Europe results if I can find them, and they will be CIRCUIT like the others. That means they are not worth that may points, but still contribute to player data and character statistics. When new majors happen, they will automatically overtake the ranking, as those are worth a lot more points. Online players ranked high now will not remain there, unless they show up at those majors.
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The ESL Pro League Mid-Season has a Premier Mandatory weighting even though it suffers from the exact same issues that all the other ESL tournaments do when it comes to ranking points. Laggy matches in an online single elimination tournament where players can't compete at the level they would in an offline environment.

I don't think any serious offline tournament player can say that an online tournament deserves the same amount of points or more than NWM, Combo Breaker, Toryuken, TCW, ect ect.
 
TackyHaddock

TackyHaddock

Salty Mashers Krew
AoK Ryan said:
I just realized that it went to 100 people and I am not on there. I guess I have to start playing online to get seeded.....
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don't you play online? I saw you high up on the leaderboards with some insane win-loss ratio. I forget what it was exactly, something like 400-7 lol
 
Treadmill

Treadmill

Noob
Zoidberg747 said:
This is straw man. No one here is saying online players are bad players, or that online is useless. But this ranking system is being used to seed EVO. A lot of us are not a fan of using online tourneys to seed EVO(including Big D whose majority of points come from ESL lol).

Online is like you said, a good tool for learning MUs. But it is not a good tool for determining offline tournament seeding. If the netcode was closer to KI netcode there might be an argument, but this netcode straight up sucks. I've played tons of games online and a good majority of the them are terrible. Watching ESL a lot of players obviously are affected by the netcode, as they cant punish/backdash/armor a lot of things they do offline.

. Its good for learning what strategies characters use but most of the players I've talked to all have experiences where they can't do things like armor frame gaps, backdash backdashable strings, or counterpoke. Im sure there are people who has success training online. And there are some matches Ive played that have been close to offline quality. But the majority of the time the input lag is really hard to ignore.

I think ESL is great. I think the players that make top 16 are always great players too, and have either already done well at offline events or could do well. But seeding offline tourneys based on online ones doesnt make much sense. I also dont think they should use weeklies for the same reason, it just isnt the same as regional or major tournaments.
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I'm not commenting on whether or not they should us online tournaments for seeding, I'm speaking on the attitude towards online play in general.
 
SplitMushroom

SplitMushroom

Noob
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't happy to be on there though. It makes me feel like I'm getting a little bit of recognition for winning these weeklys. But by no means do I think I should be on there ahead of like Tom or Blind Ducky or anything like that.
 
bavobbr

bavobbr

Noob
Give it time, the offline tournaments will push aways the online ones pretty soon. Meanwhile the online tournaments attribute players and statistics while there is no other data available. Some tournaments are now ranked automatically high simply because the ranking spots are not taken yet by real majors. It's an automatic system, except for 'weeklie', nobody decides who gets what ranking.

Its true that i ranked the ESL mid-season not as weeklie, but as regular event, and thus it gets high points for the time being. I do this because the attendance in player skill was high, and the result looks fair enough. I do this to support ESL and all others that take the effort to create online tournaments with good exposure and attendance.
 
Rude

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
Didn't we talk about all this with the NFG Rankings four years ago?
 
Alright RyRy

Alright RyRy

Florida Kombat
bavobbr said:
Currently the criteria for being listed are simple: get the tournament results reported on either SRK or Eventhubs or both. The system will weigh the tournament purely based on the average skill level of the 8 best players in it. The player skill weights are auto-determined based on previous tournament results and adjusted on every new tournament weighting. There is a max of 16 tournament rankings per player (best 16 are used).
That is why it is shoddy in the beginning and gets better later.

I realize that a lot of tournament results are reported here and other sites, but it is hard to track them down if there is no official format in which they are published. That's why the SRK/EH filter, it means that at least majors will be all in there. And those that get themselves published there, like ESL or Yomi currently. If you have exposure, you get attention. It's pretty harsh but simple.

You have to take it with a grain of salt, it is just an interpretation. But it tries to do it based on fair and clear rules.
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What about tournaments that are considered state wide?

And if you consider an online 24 man bracket, then you should include a 45+ man offline tournament. Now, I am not asking to get as much points as a person who placed top 8 at a major, that would just be silly and wouldn't make any sense.

I have gotten 1st and 2nd place at 2 State wide tournaments held in Florida, and it feels kinda disrespectful to not be on the list of 100 people.

If this was just a list that did not affect seeding for Offline Majors then I would not care, but since EVO is going by this and maybe CEO this really gets to me.
 
Vandy

Vandy

Kumite!
CrimsonShadow said:
Under no conditions should online tournaments be used to seed the grassroots offline majors. If you want to use an online ranking system to seed online events, that's fine -- but at majors, conditions are the same for everyone there. Online, conditions can be random and everyone is subject to their opponents' connection.

Online tournaments are perfectly valid; they just need to be separated according to their own ranking classification so that someone else's internet choices aren't affecting your seeding at EVO.
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Make a superior one and I'll use it.

Right now the alternative is to seed randomly or use opinion.

So until then.
 
HoneyBee

HoneyBee

Flash God Lord
@bavobbr Not sure if you mentioned this, but what are the requirements for a tournament to rank top 16 as opposed to top 8? TCW had 126 people with a $4k pot bonus and a premier mandatory ranking but it only ranks top 8.
 
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