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Pterodactyl

Plus on block.
I could use a solid AA. Right now he's pretty much free to jump attacks, and that's my biggest issue.
Have you tried u1/u2?

I've knocked quite a few people out of the sky with that, and it pops them up pretty high for a nice combo afterwards.
 
I dont think he should be as slow as he is and have crapp aa options. Maybe make his movement speed a bit faster or give him something to not be free to jumps all day. Maybe its just me but ive tried the u2 and it gets stuffed alot. Ive tried doing chest charge under jumps but that doesnt work alot either
 
Besides his run speed what exactly is hurting this character?
run speed which you already mentioned. Terrible anti-airs. Absolutely no pressure mid screen. No 50/50 mix ups unless in TF and even then its not particularly good without meter. His utter and complete dependence on meter to do ANYTHING. Telestomp is useless against anyone whoes not a moron.

And thats just what i can come up with off the top of my head. You will never see a Goro win a major or, like i said, even make top 16. It just will never happen. Hes like Sheeva from MK9 completely unviable in the high end of the game
 

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
run speed which you already mentioned. Terrible anti-airs. Absolutely no pressure mid screen. No 50/50 mix ups unless in TF and even then its not particularly good without meter. His utter and complete dependence on meter to do ANYTHING. Telestomp is useless against anyone whoes not a moron.

And thats just what i can come up with off the top of my head. You will never see a Goro win a major or, like i said, even make top 16. It just will never happen. Hes like Sheeva from MK9 completely unviable in the high end of the game
He doesn't need 50/50's and his best strings are neutral/plus on block and has the fastest pokes in the game, so there's your pressure. He's got a freaking 8f command grab and safe launching armour. He may struggle in some MU's to win but he can definitely get top 16 or top 8.
 
He doesn't need 50/50's and his best strings are neutral/plus on block and has the fastest pokes in the game, so there's your pressure. He's got a freaking 8f command grab and safe launching armour. He may struggle in some MU's to win but he can definitely get top 16 or top 8.
ok, you hit someone with any combo ender Goro has and tell me again where his pressure is. Everything he has knocks them nearly full screen, which is great for corner carry, but shit for pressure and when a good number of the cast has a TP thats just not good. Ture he doesnt need 50/50's... no one does, but every character that does is better than Goro because of it. Yes his normals are quick, but thats irrelevant when the footsie part of this game nearly doesnt exist due to either absurd range of some njp moves (kung jin and even Ferra/Tor) or the projectiles into run pressure that again Goro doesnt have. Goro just lacks the tools necessary to compete while character like Kung Lao, Scorpion and others to a slightly lesser degree (Quan Chi, now Shinnok Kung Jin, Cassie etc etc) have almost ALL the tools they will need in any situation. When the top of the pile is so STACKED characters like Goro are just not viable.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
the footsie part of this game nearly doesnt exist
are you sure you're playing MKX

this game is very footsie oriented. why are you acting like his insane corner carry is something to just brush over when he dominates everyone in the corner (especially when he has meter, which he builds easily). he has 50/50s and saying otherwise is just flat wrong when he has a 13 frame overhead that will never be punishable because it only cancels on hit and a low that leads to high 30%s and another overhead that's + on block.

now Shinnok.
lol
 
are you sure you're playing MKX

this game is very footsie oriented. why are you acting like his insane corner carry is something to just brush over when he dominates everyone in the corner (especially when he has meter, which he builds easily). he has 50/50s and saying otherwise is just flat wrong when he has a 13 frame overhead that will never be punishable because it only cancels on hit and a low that leads to high 30%s and another overhead that's + on block.
his corner carry is great, i never said it wasnt. And no, he doesnt dominate everyone in the corner. Anyone with a TP and meter has a nearly free out, Buzz Kung Lao even more so. I dont know why you lol'd at Shinnok considering how amazing he is since the patch.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
his corner carry is great, i never said it wasnt. And no, he doesnt dominate everyone in the corner. Anyone with a TP and meter has a nearly free out, Buzz Kung Lao even more so. I dont know why you lol'd at Shinnok considering how amazing he is since the patch.
do teleports suddenly have wakeup invincibility? last I checked, only Lao's has armor if he burns meter. So no, I don't think they have a "free out" considering you can check them off a knockdown and I've had few problems keeping Lao down when I finally pin the fucker down, the problem is actually getting to that point but just like with everyone else, risk/reward greatly favors you on the oki game

Shinnok still sucks, just because Impostor has a pseudo-vortex (eg: not really) and the ability to lame you out with chip damage if he sits on his meter doesn't mean that his other two variations are suddenly usable
 

CamRac

Noob
Yeah... Still not sold. I appreciate the responses from everyone, but honest pressure coming from safe strings and punchwalk doesn't mean that I'm not going to get jumped over in neutral and full combo punished on a whiffed f3. Because yes, against decent players, that shit happens. You only have to screw up once in this game, and the top chars can put you in the blender. The fact that his EX PW doesn't always recapture is also a red flag. All of his damage relies on him having meter readily available, and you're telling me that people can just fall out of a move that I had to spend a precious bar on? Not only that, but let's say I'm fighting Inferno Scorp. Now I just go into a vortex for using the correct move? Sweet. That's great. I mean, that's literally happened to me multiple times - it's not just hearsay.

But seriously, do I think he's pure ass? Nah. He's honest and has usable tools. If NRS' track record is anything to go by, that means he's somewhere in the mid tier, and that we probably won't ever see him break into a top 8 outside of the first year of the game. Once the initial rounds of patches come through and all of the basic bullshit is discovered, then you'll only see him winning locals. He'll always be a crowd favorite though - I'll give him that. Even if I leave him now, I'll still cheer for him. Oh well.
 
do teleports suddenly have wakeup invincibility? last I checked, only Lao's has armor if he burns meter. So no, I don't think they have a "free out" considering you can check them off a knockdown and I've had few problems keeping Lao down when I finally pin the fucker down, the problem is actually getting to that point but just like with everyone else, risk/reward greatly favors you on the oki game

Shinnok still sucks, just because Impostor has a pseudo-vortex (eg: not really) and the ability to lame you out with chip damage if he sits on his meter doesn't mean that his other two variations are suddenly usable
scorpion, quan, ermac, takeda tps all have armour when MB. Also your opinion of Shinnok is pretty wrong. If youve seen him used by a competant player you would realize that Shinnok is pretty good. Although Necro does suck.

You just destroyed any sense of credibility you may have had by claiming footsies are non-existent because like three characters have unusually far reaching NJPs.

Jesus.
ugh.... i give small examples and you think thats my whole point. Partially perhaps my fault since i dont think i was clear. Some of Goro's normals, while fast and one or two are far reaching, dont really help in the footsie game in MKX, not when characters have strings and moves that move them across the screen extremely fast, or 75% screen dive kicks, or a TP, or a decent projectile or, as i mentioned before, a njp that renders them useless. Im not saying Goro doesnt have tools, what im saying is that Goros tools are lack luster and mostly pale in comparison to the rest of the cast
 
As a Goro main, and top Goro player on PC ranked, I can safely say that Goro is mid tier at best. MAYBE top 16, but just barely, at probably number 16 if he's lucky.

I don't even get how people could argue that Goro doesn't need a 50/50. All characters do, otherwise you get what we have now, all the top characters have 50/50 and all the trash tier ones don't.

As much as Love him, Goro is just a twitch gimmick character. You win by anticipating your opponent, but if you mess up once, you get caught up in a 40% combo 50/50 vortex blender and if you don't have EX, you're done. Heck, even if you EX Punch walk out of a vortex, you just walk across the screen like an idiot, and the opponent can just vortex you back up anyway.
 

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
ok, you hit someone with any combo ender Goro has and tell me again where his pressure is. Everything he has knocks them nearly full screen, which is great for corner carry, but shit for pressure and when a good number of the cast has a TP thats just not good. Ture he doesnt need 50/50's... no one does, but every character that does is better than Goro because of it. Yes his normals are quick, but thats irrelevant when the footsie part of this game nearly doesnt exist due to either absurd range of some njp moves (kung jin and even Ferra/Tor) or the projectiles into run pressure that again Goro doesnt have. Goro just lacks the tools necessary to compete while character like Kung Lao, Scorpion and others to a slightly lesser degree (Quan Chi, now Shinnok Kung Jin, Cassie etc etc) have almost ALL the tools they will need in any situation. When the top of the pile is so STACKED characters like Goro are just not viable.
I m sorry, but no, srsly no. You wanna give a character a pure 50/50 (which if we take by account, he already has since f4 is now an overhead), when he has the best command grab in the game? He has a safe launcher, the best anti-wake up in the game, you literally cannot wake up against Goro if he has 1 bar of meter, the best pokes in the game in terms of range, frames and safeness, excellent dmg especially in KW var, frame traps, the best wall carry and corner pressure in the game (him and TG Raider compete for that imo) and you want more? Really?

Also you said something about teleporting. Thats called mind games. You do know what happens if Goro blocks the teleport, yes? He is thrown again in the corner, plus a good chunk of his opponent's hp is gone. If he does nothing after a combo, he is right at Goro's face and thats where Goro wants him to be.

I m sorry, but i think you either play Goro wrong or you play against Goro's who dont know what they are doing. Goro is super solid in the right hands.
 
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Metzos

You will BOW to me!
I don't understand why we're all struggling to eek out damage with this giant bastard. I keep hearing optimistic comments about how Goro is okay and doesn't need anything, but have you played offline? He's slow as molasses, his b12u2 is practically useless as a launcher, and almost everything he has can be interrupted by the generally agreed upon "high tier" of the moment.

In a game of simple characters, he has to be one of the most simple. With lack of speed and mixups, and with his command grab having the shittiest input ever created for a fighting game, how is he supposed to compete? Idk. I just feel like I should be netting 45% off of one bar midscreen, not 35%. Do you guys actually think he can win anything, all things considered?
The only string that can be interrupted is b12u2. You can catch your opponent off guard if you use b121, which is plus on block and allows a free down poke check afterwards, or if you have your opponent in the corner you can use sg. KW Goro can net up to almost 45% dmg mid screen with 1 bar, so i dont know why you think Goro has no damage. If you play tigrar, which imo is useless, then yeah Goro is weak. DF and KW are super solid.
 

juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
The only string that can be interrupted is b12u2. You can catch your opponent off guard if you use b121, which is plus on block and allows a free down poke check afterwards, or if you have your opponent in the corner you can use sg. KW Goro does almost 45% mid screen with 1 bar, so i dont know why you think Goro has no damage. If you play tigrar, which imo is useless, then yeah Goro is weak. DF and KW are super solid.
I agree w this

I honestly don't think the fireballs in tigrar are worth it most of the time
 

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
I agree w this

I honestly don't think the fireballs in tigrar are worth it most of the time
The frame trap he has from fire breath is solid, but it means shit, when it can be interrupted or even low profiled by some characters, after a block string. DF and KW is the future for Goro, unless Tigrar receives some kind of buff which i doubt it will.

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juicepouch

blink-182 enthusiast
The frame trap he has from fire breath is solid, but it means shit, when it can be interrupted or even low profiled by some characters. DF and KW is the future for Goro, unless Tigrar receives some kind of buff which i doubt it will.
my training partner figured out day 1 that the frame trap with firebreath had a gap and so i've always been staunchly in the camp that it's a bill. If they give us true frame traps with it i'll consider using it again
 
@Metzos Hope to see some footage of your Goro soon. I have a lot of respect for your game knowledge, but I can't see Goro breaking mid-tier with his current toolset (though I think NRS would have to be very careful about giving him buffs because of how strong Ex punch walk is. )
 

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
@Metzos Hope to see some footage of your Goro soon. I have a lot of respect for your game knowledge, but I can't see Goro breaking mid-tier with his current toolset (though I think NRS would have to be very careful about giving him buffs because of how strong Ex punch walk is. )
Tyvm for your kind words. I ll try and see if i can record some casuals next time i go to GDA. Imo Goro is fine, you just have to think how to play him at high lvl. If they buff him even more, people will start crying without end. I m not saying he can win EVO, but he can easily compete against almost everyone.
 
Tyvm for your kind words. I ll try and see if i can record some casuals next time i go to GDA. Imo Goro is fine, you just have to think how to play him at high lvl. If they buff him even more, people will start crying without end. I m not saying he can win EVO, but he can easily compete against almost everyone.
:) i hope youre right Metzos and im wrong, i really do, because despite everything i say i do love Goro and enjoy playing him. And just to be clear, i dont want a pure 50/50 and to be fair if Ed Boon asked me to change something to make Goro more viable i honestly dont know what i would pick haha.

Maybe i am playing him wrong, and if i am i look forward to being shown the right way :)
 

Agilaz

It has begun
Have you tried u1/u2?

I've knocked quite a few people out of the sky with that, and it pops them up pretty high for a nice combo afterwards.
I have been trying to use it, but I usually end up getting punched out of it. I'm guessing I'm either mistiming it or it has no priority over anything else.
 

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
:) i hope youre right Metzos and im wrong, i really do, because despite everything i say i do love Goro and enjoy playing him. And just to be clear, i dont want a pure 50/50 and to be fair if Ed Boon asked me to change something to make Goro more viable i honestly dont know what i would pick haha.

Maybe i am playing him wrong, and if i am i look forward to being shown the right way :)
Imo Goro is fine the way he is right now. Perhaps better priorities on u1/u2, or a faster uppercut would be nice, since he doesnt have any good AA options, but other than that he is really good. I believe that we wont see any good reps for Goro, simply because, there are other characters who can do what he does with less effort.

But that doesnt mean that Goro isnt viable. You just have to be patient and play good footsies in order to get good results from him. He is really rewarding.
 

RYX

BIG PUSHER
EX quake being -10 makes me really sad

Is it a better idea, then, to forsake the corner and throw them out of it for safety or do an uppercut combo so you can d4~lunge them back in, even if it means putting you at risk vs some wakeups?
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
Tyvm for your kind words. I ll try and see if i can record some casuals next time i go to GDA. Imo Goro is fine, you just have to think how to play him at high lvl. If they buff him even more, people will start crying without end. I m not saying he can win EVO, but he can easily compete against almost everyone.
come get served some osh-tekk tans, scum.
 
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