I come from a 3d fighting game background so I'm not completely familiar with the term. With that out the way, would the following qualify as a vortex setup ; ji2, b12, iceball, bd, ji2 b12.. It leaves the opponent at -22 I believe.. b33 and b2 both come out before they can do anything besides block right? If they guess wrong and you have a bar that's up to 42 more damage added to the initial 22. don't see any reason to go for the guaranteed damage(unless it'll end the round) because its only 10 more. I mainly play online and it breaks people down badly but im not sure how viable it is offline with the overhead being 17 frames which could possibly be blocked on reaction. Any thoughts or suggestions positive or negative it'll only help me in the longrun