MsMiharo
Kuff Bano
This is old tech and I never bothered posting it but now there's a new patch coming which I suspect might increase the popularity of Kano which in turn might make people start exploiting the gap in 112.
While your opponent can backdash the 2 in 112 you won't get punished so it's not really a loss. Plus they might not have stamina or be in the corner etc.
SO assuming your opponent knows the MU you can actually exploit this. 112 choke is safe, deals 4% chip and builds 1/3 of a bar so if they don't try to exploit the gap you're in a good position. Once they do you can start going for some nice reads.
First of all, some numbers:
The last hit of 112 deals 7% damage (meaning if they armor through they eat that 7%). Your safest option is EX Upball which on hit is 13% meaning you get 20% off a bar. Choke is 11% (18% total), EX Choke 18% (25%), Parry and low parry is 17% (24%), EX Parry and low parry 21% (28%), EX Kano ball is 4% but you get a full combo (which outside of beta is not much, I usually go for RC 32 knife - 15% - for command grab setup or 112 ball - 21%), EX Command grabs are 19-20% (26-27%)
What this means is that on a good read you get decent damage. Bear in mind that EX Command grabs and Regular Kano ball are really risky, but give good reward. For some VERY fast reversals you will have to do 11 and cancel into the parry. You can of course stagger 11 as well and bait the armor. Worth noting is that most parries don't activate in time to stop the 2.
This technique can be done with his other two variations as well but it's not as rewarding or safe. The fact that both (ex and regular) choke is safe as well as ball AND the fact that you can parry during 112 OR after you're minus from choke or upball makes the guessing game in commando's favor.
Also fun fact: D'vorah can only backdash to get out of 112, because her armor is so slow. Tremor can't do anything either. Free meter boiz.
Parry means standing, non-EX Parry. Upball is EX Upball (you can often do non-ex as well but it's death on block). Raw choke means that you can go for non-ex version (if you make the right read). When Kano Ball is considered as "working" it is when it leads to a combo. Against a lot of reversals it will work but only give a KD.
Example:
Reptile
Sub Zero
Mileena
Ferra/Torr
Takeda
D'Vorah
Cassie
Raiden
Jacqui
Quan Chi
Kung Jin
Goro
Tanya
Tremor
Kotal
Scorpion
Ermac
Kitana
LK
Kenshi
Erron Black
Sonya
JC
Jax
Kano
Kung Lao
Shinnok
Jason
Predator
@ando1184
@bdizzle2700
@countrypistol
@Derptile
@FlappyDaniel
@MrInsaynne
@SaltShaker
@The Hex Man
@Youphemism
@ETC AdmiralAugustus
@Phosferrax
@Scott The Scot
Other I've forgotten (I just took a list from an old thread, sue me)
While your opponent can backdash the 2 in 112 you won't get punished so it's not really a loss. Plus they might not have stamina or be in the corner etc.
SO assuming your opponent knows the MU you can actually exploit this. 112 choke is safe, deals 4% chip and builds 1/3 of a bar so if they don't try to exploit the gap you're in a good position. Once they do you can start going for some nice reads.
First of all, some numbers:
The last hit of 112 deals 7% damage (meaning if they armor through they eat that 7%). Your safest option is EX Upball which on hit is 13% meaning you get 20% off a bar. Choke is 11% (18% total), EX Choke 18% (25%), Parry and low parry is 17% (24%), EX Parry and low parry 21% (28%), EX Kano ball is 4% but you get a full combo (which outside of beta is not much, I usually go for RC 32 knife - 15% - for command grab setup or 112 ball - 21%), EX Command grabs are 19-20% (26-27%)
What this means is that on a good read you get decent damage. Bear in mind that EX Command grabs and Regular Kano ball are really risky, but give good reward. For some VERY fast reversals you will have to do 11 and cancel into the parry. You can of course stagger 11 as well and bait the armor. Worth noting is that most parries don't activate in time to stop the 2.
This technique can be done with his other two variations as well but it's not as rewarding or safe. The fact that both (ex and regular) choke is safe as well as ball AND the fact that you can parry during 112 OR after you're minus from choke or upball makes the guessing game in commando's favor.
Also fun fact: D'vorah can only backdash to get out of 112, because her armor is so slow. Tremor can't do anything either. Free meter boiz.
Parry means standing, non-EX Parry. Upball is EX Upball (you can often do non-ex as well but it's death on block). Raw choke means that you can go for non-ex version (if you make the right read). When Kano Ball is considered as "working" it is when it leads to a combo. Against a lot of reversals it will work but only give a KD.
Example:
Reptile
EX Slide - 11 Low parry
EX Claw - Choke/Parry/Up ball
EX Close Claw bounce - Whiffs. up ball catches with the last hit (10%)
(Deceptive) EX Invisibility - Up ball, otherwise Reptile can poke/neutral duck and punish
EX Claw - Choke/Parry/Up ball
EX Close Claw bounce - Whiffs. up ball catches with the last hit (10%)
(Deceptive) EX Invisibility - Up ball, otherwise Reptile can poke/neutral duck and punish
Sub Zero
EX Frost bomb - Command grabs/Ex Up ball/Kano Ball
EX Slide - 11 low parry, 112 EX low parry/Kano Ball. DON'T UP BALL, it opens you for a full combo.
EX Clone (Grandmaster) - For some reason, neither me or the AI can get it to come out in the gap. I can get the regular Ice clone but ex doesn't come out at all (He stays blocking). Is it not working properly? o_o
EX Hammer (Cryo) - EX Up ball/Kano Ball/Choke
EX Slide - 11 low parry, 112 EX low parry/Kano Ball. DON'T UP BALL, it opens you for a full combo.
EX Clone (Grandmaster) - For some reason, neither me or the AI can get it to come out in the gap. I can get the regular Ice clone but ex doesn't come out at all (He stays blocking). Is it not working properly? o_o
EX Hammer (Cryo) - EX Up ball/Kano Ball/Choke
Mileena
EX Roll - Upball/Parry/EX Choke/EX command grabs/Kano Ball
EX Fade (Ethereal) - makes everything whiff unless she reappears in the same place
EX Fade (Ethereal) - makes everything whiff unless she reappears in the same place
Ferra/Torr
(Lackey)
Command grab - Parry/EX Choke/EX Kano Ball/Up ball/Command grabs
EX Roll - EX Choke/Ex Kano ball/Up Ball/Command Grabs
EX Charge: -EX Up ball (takes damage but doesn't get KD'd)/Parry. A raw Kano ball puts you on the other side, making you deal damage to Torr but neither get KD'd.
Torryuken: EX Up ball/EX Choke
(Ruthless/Vicious)
EX Command grab - Parry/EX Choke/EX Kano Ball/Up ball/Command grabs
EX Charge - Parry/EX Choke/EX Kano Ball/Up ball/Forward Command grab (Power Bomb whiffs)
Command grab - Parry/EX Choke/EX Kano Ball/Up ball/Command grabs
EX Roll - EX Choke/Ex Kano ball/Up Ball/Command Grabs
EX Charge: -EX Up ball (takes damage but doesn't get KD'd)/Parry. A raw Kano ball puts you on the other side, making you deal damage to Torr but neither get KD'd.
Torryuken: EX Up ball/EX Choke
(Ruthless/Vicious)
EX Command grab - Parry/EX Choke/EX Kano Ball/Up ball/Command grabs
EX Charge - Parry/EX Choke/EX Kano Ball/Up ball/Forward Command grab (Power Bomb whiffs)
Takeda
Tornado Kick - Upball/Choke
Fist whirlwind - Upball/Choke/Parry/Raw command grabs/EX Kano Ball
Double Shoryuken (Ronin) - Upball/EX choke/Parry/Command grab/Ex Kano Ball
Whip Flurry (Lasher) - Upball/Choke/EX Kano ball
Whip Flip (Lasher) - Upball/Choke/EX Kano Ball
Whip Trip (Lasher) - Upball/Choke/EX Kano Ball/Command Grabs/Parry
Fist whirlwind - Upball/Choke/Parry/Raw command grabs/EX Kano Ball
Double Shoryuken (Ronin) - Upball/EX choke/Parry/Command grab/Ex Kano Ball
Whip Flurry (Lasher) - Upball/Choke/EX Kano ball
Whip Flip (Lasher) - Upball/Choke/EX Kano Ball
Whip Trip (Lasher) - Upball/Choke/EX Kano Ball/Command Grabs/Parry
D'Vorah
Trident rush - Parry/Choke/Up Ball/EX kano ball
Cassie
Diving Glow Kick - Parry/EX Choke/Up ball
Nut punch (HW) - Parry/Ex Kano Ball/Command Grabs
Nut punch (HW) - Parry/Ex Kano Ball/Command Grabs
Raiden
Superman - parry/EX Choke/Ex command grabs/Up ball
Vincinity Blast - choke/raw command grab/Up ball/EX Kano ball
Shocker - anything (EX choke)
Thunder strike - Parry/EX Choke, Up ball. Forward command grab will whiff BUT recover in time to punish with 112
EX teleport - You can do fuck all about this move
Vincinity Blast - choke/raw command grab/Up ball/EX Kano ball
Shocker - anything (EX choke)
Thunder strike - Parry/EX Choke, Up ball. Forward command grab will whiff BUT recover in time to punish with 112
EX teleport - You can do fuck all about this move
Jacqui
Forces charge - parry/Upball
Bionic Blast - Parry/Up ball/raw Choke/EX Kano Ball
Gauntlet Flurry - Parry/Up ball/EX Choke/EX Kano Ball/Command grabs
Bionic Blast - Parry/Up ball/raw Choke/EX Kano Ball
Gauntlet Flurry - Parry/Up ball/EX Choke/EX Kano Ball/Command grabs
Quan Chi
Sky drop - Everything except parry
Sword stab (Warlock) - Raw choke/Up ball/EX Kano Ball
Scoop (Warlock) - EX Choke/Up Ball/EX Kano Ball/Low Parry/Command Grabs
Sword stab (Warlock) - Raw choke/Up ball/EX Kano Ball
Scoop (Warlock) - EX Choke/Up Ball/EX Kano Ball/Low Parry/Command Grabs
Kung Jin
Fly kick - Upball/EX Choke
Cartwheel Smash - Upball / EX Choke
Bo Strike (Bojustsu)- Everything (raw)
Bo Spin (Bojutsu) - everything EX
Low Bo spin (Bojutsu) - Everything. Raw choke and Low parry.
Cartwheel Smash - Upball / EX Choke
Bo Strike (Bojustsu)- Everything (raw)
Bo Spin (Bojutsu) - everything EX
Low Bo spin (Bojutsu) - Everything. Raw choke and Low parry.
Goro
Stomp - Parry/EX Choke/Upball
Punchwalk - Parry/Upball
Shokan Slam - everything except parry (EX)
Chest charge (KW) - everything but you need to EX Parry
Dragon spin (DF)- everything
Piercing fang (DF) - everything but you need to do a LOW parry
Punchwalk - Parry/Upball
Shokan Slam - everything except parry (EX)
Chest charge (KW) - everything but you need to EX Parry
Dragon spin (DF)- everything
Piercing fang (DF) - everything but you need to do a LOW parry
Tanya
Split Flip Kick - Everything except BACKWARDS command grab
Low Drill kick - Everything except Kano ball
Tonfa Strike (Kobu Jutsu) - Kano ball/Upball/Parry/Trades with choke
Devil's Dust (Pyro) - Raw choke/Kano Ball/Up ball
Low Drill kick - Everything except Kano ball
Tonfa Strike (Kobu Jutsu) - Kano ball/Upball/Parry/Trades with choke
Devil's Dust (Pyro) - Raw choke/Kano Ball/Up ball
Tremor
Punch - Everything. Raw choke
Shatter - Raw choke, everything but parry
Shatter - Raw choke, everything but parry
Kotal
Buzz saw (BG) - everything but command grabs (raw choke)
OH Sword (BG) - everything (EX choke)
Low sword (BG) - everything but command grabs (raw choke, low parry)
Sword quake (BG) - everything but command grabs and parry(raw choke)
Cmd Grab (SG) - Everything (Ex choke)
EX parry (SG/BG)- EX Up ball (10%)
OH Sword (BG) - everything (EX choke)
Low sword (BG) - everything but command grabs (raw choke, low parry)
Sword quake (BG) - everything but command grabs and parry(raw choke)
Cmd Grab (SG) - Everything (Ex choke)
EX parry (SG/BG)- EX Up ball (10%)
Scorpion
Takout - Low parry/Command grabs/EX Kano Ball
Ermac
Soul Blast - Everything except parry (EX choke)
Ex Vanish (MoS) - beats everything but you don't lose that much
Spectral charge (Spectral) - Everything but kano ball (EX Parry)
Ex Vanish (MoS) - beats everything but you don't lose that much
Spectral charge (Spectral) - Everything but kano ball (EX Parry)
Kitana
Rising blades - EX Choke/Up ball
Throat Slash - EX Choke/Up ball
Eclipse kick (Mournful) - Everything
Staff smash (Mournful) - Everything except parry
Assassin impale (Assassin) - everything except back command grab
EX butt (Royal Storm) - Everything except kano ball and parry
Throat Slash - EX Choke/Up ball
Eclipse kick (Mournful) - Everything
Staff smash (Mournful) - Everything except parry
Assassin impale (Assassin) - everything except back command grab
EX butt (Royal Storm) - Everything except kano ball and parry
LK
Fly kick - Upball/EX Choke
EX Backfist - Upball/Kano Ball/Raw Choke/Parry
Windmill Flurry (FF) - Upball/Parry/EX Choke
EX Backfist - Upball/Kano Ball/Raw Choke/Parry
Windmill Flurry (FF) - Upball/Parry/EX Choke
Kenshi
Kenjutsu - Blade Nado - everything
Kenjutsu - Sword Dance - everything
Kenjutsu - Tele suspend - everything except parry
Kenjutsu - Tele Blast- everything except parry
Balanced - Spirit Charge - everything except parry
Balanced - Rising Karma - everything except parry
Possessed - Sickle Strike - everything except parry
Possessed - Soul Charge - everything except parry
Possessed - demonic slice - everything except parry and command grabs
Possessed - Demon port - kano ball/Upball/raw choke
Kenjutsu - Sword Dance - everything
Kenjutsu - Tele suspend - everything except parry
Kenjutsu - Tele Blast- everything except parry
Balanced - Spirit Charge - everything except parry
Balanced - Rising Karma - everything except parry
Possessed - Sickle Strike - everything except parry
Possessed - Soul Charge - everything except parry
Possessed - demonic slice - everything except parry and command grabs
Possessed - Demon port - kano ball/Upball/raw choke
Erron Black
Slide - Low parry/Up ball/Kano Ball
Command Grab - Everything
Tarkatan Stab - Everything
EX Sand - Everything except parry - Raw choke
Command Grab - Everything
Tarkatan Stab - Everything
EX Sand - Everything except parry - Raw choke
Sonya
EX Leg grab - everything except choke
EX Arc kick - EX Choke, upball and Parry
EX Arc kick - EX Choke, upball and Parry
JC
Eclipse kick - everything
Ultra Flipkick - Parry, EX Choke, Upball
Nutpunch - everything except EX Choke (it will get you launched)
Ultra Flipkick - Parry, EX Choke, Upball
Nutpunch - everything except EX Choke (it will get you launched)
Jax
Dash Punch - EX Parry/EX Choke/Upball
Major Muscle - Parry/EX Choke/Upball
Gotcha extreme (PU) 11 parry
Gotcha beatdown (W & HW) 11 parry, 112 ex choke/Ball/Command grabs/Upball
Quad Grapple (W) - everything
Major Muscle - Parry/EX Choke/Upball
Gotcha extreme (PU) 11 parry
Gotcha beatdown (W & HW) 11 parry, 112 ex choke/Ball/Command grabs/Upball
Quad Grapple (W) - everything
Kano
Kano ball - everything except parry/kano ball
Upball - 11 parry
(Cyber) Eye blast - everything except parry
(Cutthroat) flash parry. Can neutral duck and punish. Upball works, baits with parry
(Commando) Rib strike - everything
(Commando) Power bomb - Everythign EXCEPT parry (1 frame faster, ex parry works)
(Commando) Choke - everything but must EX Parry
(Commando) Ex parry hits you
Upball - 11 parry
(Cyber) Eye blast - everything except parry
(Cutthroat) flash parry. Can neutral duck and punish. Upball works, baits with parry
(Commando) Rib strike - everything
(Commando) Power bomb - Everythign EXCEPT parry (1 frame faster, ex parry works)
(Commando) Choke - everything but must EX Parry
(Commando) Ex parry hits you
Kung Lao
Teleport - Upball and Kano Ball
Spin, all variations- Nothing
Spin, all variations- Nothing
Shinnok
Shoulder - Everything
Scoop - everything (low parry)
Scoop - everything (low parry)
Jason
(Slasher) Shoulder Charge - everything
(Slasher) Hack n' slash - everything
(Rel/Uns) Spine Shatter - Everything (EX parry or 11 parry)
(Rel/uns) Choke slam - Everything
(Rel/uns) Crippler - everything except power bomb
(Rel/uns) Temple Slam - everything
(Rel) teleport - everything
(Slasher) Hack n' slash - everything
(Rel/Uns) Spine Shatter - Everything (EX parry or 11 parry)
(Rel/uns) Choke slam - Everything
(Rel/uns) Crippler - everything except power bomb
(Rel/uns) Temple Slam - everything
(Rel) teleport - everything
Predator
Scimitar slam - everything, raw choke
Dread slam (Warrior ) - Everything except grabs
Yautja Pounce (Warrior) - Raw choke, Upball
Dread slam (Warrior ) - Everything except grabs
Yautja Pounce (Warrior) - Raw choke, Upball
@ando1184
@bdizzle2700
@countrypistol
@Derptile
@FlappyDaniel
@MrInsaynne
@SaltShaker
@The Hex Man
@Youphemism
@ETC AdmiralAugustus
@Phosferrax
@Scott The Scot
Other I've forgotten (I just took a list from an old thread, sue me)
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