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you hit me for 11%? congrats. it'll take 9 blocked slides and me getting hit with windings every single time before you take even the 1st life bar.
you hit me for 11%? congrats. it'll take 9 blocked slides and me getting hit with windings every single time before you take even the 1st life bar.
So does that mean you'll keep back dashing?
why not? the risk/reward for doing a mere 11% doesn't seem to be so advantageous for Nightwing. Guess wrong on 1 vortex and you eat a guaranteed 70%
There's no risk for NW after a slide if you do nothing. He doesn't have to wing ding. It's just a bonus.
Well to be fair, the overhead launcher he has in Escrima (idk what notation it is) will catch backdash. But carry on lol
a blocked slide isn't suppose to be a risk for nightwing. a move that -4 on block isn't meant to start pressure. nobody seems to understand that.
so simply stand there and blocking negates all of nightwings options? nice!
Man I didnt say all that. You made it seem like a back dash would make NW helpless when he can and will blow up back dash with a full combo. Its still risky due to parry and mb f3, but it still makes you think twice before backdashing
I don't have to play your game with the universal feature of pushblock.
no, I'm saying that standing there does in fact negate all of his options. D12, b2, wing dings, flip kick, are all negated by simply standing there.
Incorrect. Being -4 is never advantageous for Killer Frost. Rather, Frost has "better" options after a blocked slide against some characters than others. Nothing more.
NW has no options after slide, the move is safe. What he has are post-slide options. Re-read my post I outlined it pretty clearly what he has and also explained why it's in KF favor.
you're continuing to contradict yourself. you say that he has no options after slide, but your original post outlines his options after slide? I'm sure you can understand why I may be confused. you also say that the MU is even, but insist that the post slide game is in Frost's favor. We've also established that she also out-zones, damages, and footsies him so again, I really confused as to why you would believe the MU could be even. 6-4 does not mean unwinnable, regardless of what people on this site may think. rather, it's saying that character A has a slight advantage over character B. nothing more.
First, allow me to clear the confusion for you. When I say no options I mean no punishment options. I clearly outline what NW's options are after the slide which =/= punishment options. You say that because you can stand block all of NW's options (and I'll assume by this you mean properly react to a flip kick MB as well) that NW has no options. I agree with you that NW has no punishment options because the slide is safe. So to clear things up, NW has no direct punish for the slide. In fact no character in the entire game has a punish for it either. Every character is forced to play is their own version of the post-slide game. My post outlines the post-slide game in Escrima stance, which I believe to be superior than Staff stance.
What makes it advantageous for Killer Frost are her superior damage output, zoning, and footsie tools. a dagger or two? who are we trying to fool here? how is nightwing getting in? his dash? his footsie tools? jumping? random flying graysons? all of those options are easily negated my either MBF3 or slide on reaction. what you need to do is play someone who isn't going to succumb to any of nightwing's shenanigans just because most have a lack of match up knowledge.
Her damage output is superior. It's the reason the post-slide game is in her favor. Outside of that both characters are making a read combo for combo.
slide is one of the best special moves in this game. let's not downplay how good it actually is.
I'm on PC atm.
Don't listen to him
D12 confirms into full combo and beats the forward dash as well as her d1. If KF is reading flip kick MB she is crouch block to d2 and that makes d12 hit on block which leads to the d12 game.