Does Batgirl Make IGAU Better or Worse?

[Ragnarök Tyr]

Deep breath and count to 10 before you give yourself a brain aneurysm.

 

[DarkPage]

always wished flash had gotten the dedication needed to take his spot at the top

 

[God Confirm]

As much as I give Flash players a lot of grief by calling that character braindead (Not you @Braindead)

wonder if anybody has ever used that ripper of a joke before

ever

 

[Gengar]

Batgirl is strong, but i dont feel like she broke the game. The game had alot of crazy stuff that characters could do.

MMH was pretty dumb tho. the OH tele needed to cost meter. A tracking launching overhead (in a HBTB game) that was safe was absurd. you had to have the meter for a MB b3 to punish or time a backdash, it was such a silly demand from your opponent at the cost of just doing a special move. And he had the orbs and all the other zoning bullshit on top of that.

Meter on the OH tele would have 'normalized' it

 

[trufenix]

I vote yes because if batgirl was gone, Aquaman, MMH, Zod, Cyborg, Shazam, and Joker would just magically buff / nerf themselves.

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

I vote yes because if batgirl was gone, Aquaman, MMH, Zod, Cyborg, Shazam, and Joker would just magically buff / nerf themselves.

If you take the Fox out of the hen house all the chickens prosper.

 

[trufenix]

If you take the Fox out of the hen house all the chickens prosper.

Injustice has like 8 foxes.

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

Injustice has like 8 foxes.

Right. Green Arrow I suppose.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Right. Green Arrow I suppose.

Batgirl, mmh, AM, flash, Zod, sinestro, Bane, Superman, WW

Then you get to the "honest" top tiers like Batman, Deathstroke, Raven, GL, DD, Killer Frost...

So yeah, there was a tonne of ridiculously broken shit in injustice even with batgirl removed.

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

Batgirl, mmh, AM, flash, Zod, sinestro, Bane, Superman, WW

Then you get to the "honest" top tiers like Batman, Deathstroke, Raven, GL, DD, Killer Frost...

So yeah, there was a tonne of ridiculously broken shit in injustice even with batgirl removed.

What I implied is that there aren't 8 foxes. There is definitely more than one fox; Batgirl, Martian Manhunter, and Zod are undeniable.

 

[Pan1cMode]

You say, "yeah, there was a tonne of ridiculously broken shit in injustice even with batgirl removed." as if I ever tried to make the opposite point which is akin to putting words in my mouth I did not say. What I implied is that there aren't 8 foxes. There is definitely more than one fox; Batgirl, Martian Manhunter, and Zod are undeniable.

Again, I'd add at a bare minimum flash and aquaman to that list if not sinestro, bane, wowo and superman.

That was the point I was making. When you replied "green arrow" I thought it was pretty obvious that you meant that there weren't other "foxes" since GA was a relatively low tier character.

Removing batgirl from the game actually wouldn't help balance as much as removing say AM, MMH or Zod. Batgirl's matchups weren't really polarising except for cyborg (which AM, MMH and Zod also 7-3). If you wanted the "hens to prosper" it'd be better to remove any of the afore mentioned characters to at least get rid of the most bullshit matchups in the game.

People just don't like dealing with looping 50/50s, which is entirely fair enough. Batgirl didn't 'gate keep' any characters from top tier; unlike MMH, Zod and AM (and even Bane and sinestro).

 

[TheGangstaFace]

I haven't read anything in this thread. I just saw the title and came in to ask.

Why is this a question?

 

[Solomon Gorondy]

Again, I'd add at a bare minimum flash and aquaman to that list if not sinestro, bane, wowo and superman.

That was the point I was making. When you replied "green arrow" I thought it was pretty obvious that you meant that there weren't other "foxes" since GA was a relatively low tier character.

Removing batgirl from the game actually wouldn't help balance as much as removing say AM, MMH or Zod. Batgirl's matchups weren't really polarising except for cyborg (which AM, MMH and Zod also 7-3). If you wanted the "hens to prosper" it'd be better to remove any of the afore mentioned characters to at least get rid of the most bullshit matchups in the game.

People just don't like dealing with looping 50/50s, which is entirely fair enough. Batgirl didn't 'gate keep' any characters from top tier; unlike MMH, Zod and AM (and even Bane and sinestro).

Sorry dude I'm just on edge today. Just edited that post you replied to.

In regards to Sinestro; i think the character is too reliant on his trait which he must somehow find the time to charge unlike Martian and Zod who's traits charge automatically and arguably are better characters barring traits. Does Batgirl even have a trait? (she barely has a reason to use it).

Superman has the stigma of S-tier but after his many nerfs he just wasn't top notch anymore. Even the champion of Evo (KDZ), who won it with Superman, said the character wasn't good anymore. I think his niche in the meta was ignoring characters armor; serving as a counter-pick for Bane, Grundy, Lex, and such.

 

[RM NoBrows]

Solomon Grundy made the game good. Batgirl is the equivalent of acidic alien to IGAU

 

[Pan1cMode]

Solomon Grundy made the game good. Batgirl is the equivalent of acidic alien to IGAU

Batgirl's closest equivalent in MKX is probably shotgun Jacqui tbh.

 

[RM NoBrows]

Batgirl's closest equivalent in MKX is probably shotgun Jacqui tbh.

I was saying this because of how incredibly annoying both characters are. I agree with you on this

 

[B. Shazzy]

she went "5-5" with so many characters because nobody seemed to measure risk/reward safe coinflips in matchup numbers. ya she didn't shut down neutral 10-0 or stop you from moving on the screen like zod-lex but you're guessing for half your life everytime she vortexes you to the corner with her safe midscreen vortex.

She had the best version or one of the best of every tool in the game and safe vortexes but since she's not instantly on top of you at the batgirl's player will it's "5-5" ok lol



the only thing that balanced batgirl is batgirl player's fundamentals tbh. Martian probably beats her tho

 

[trufenix]

You'd have to reduce the cast list by like 3 on the top AND bottom to have a "better" game. I can't think of any two characters that if they just disappeared would actually make people happier playing injustice at a high level.

 

[PunkMafia83]

Why did she need that corner damage? Still gives me nightmares

 

[trufenix]

Why did she need that corner damage? Still gives me nightmares

(Almost) Everybody in the game has insane damage potential, she can just get to hers way easier than most.

 

[PunkMafia83]

(Almost) Everybody in the game has insane damage potential, she can just get to hers way easier than most.

I get that. But when you add in her other tools like smoke bomb and her 50 50, she felt more than complete. She wasn't the only character that felt like that though.

 

[Pan1cMode]

I get that. But when you add in her other tools like smoke bomb and her 50 50, she felt more than complete. She wasn't the only character that felt like that though.

Nobody mentions the actually broke stuff about her which were her unblockable resets.

 

[Wetdoba]

Sorry dude I'm just on edge today. Just edited that post you replied to.

In regards to Sinestro; i think the character is too reliant on his trait which he must somehow find the time to charge unlike Martian and Zod who's traits charge automatically and arguably are better characters barring traits. Does Batgirl even have a trait? (she barely has a reason to use it).

Superman has the stigma of S-tier but after his many nerfs he just wasn't top notch anymore. Even the champion of Evo (KDZ), who won it with Superman, said the character wasn't good anymore. I think his niche in the meta was ignoring characters armor; serving as a counter-pick for Bane, Grundy, Lex, and such.

Supes was not a counter pick for Bane that match up was even, slightly Supes favor depending on stage. Flash was the Bane counterpick in terms of blowing up armor and dropping stupid damage if he was in debuff

 

[Pan1cMode]

Supes was not a counter pick for Bane that match up was even, slightly Supes favor depending on stage. Flash was the Bane counterpick in terms of blowing up armor and dropping stupid damage if he was in debuff

Zatanna was the bane counterpick.

 

[Wetdoba]

Zatanna was the bane counterpick.

If you wanted to run away yeah, but if you wanted to blow up armor it was Flash