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LolingOctopus

Modest and humble genitalia destroyer
Also, add to things to test:

Dive kicks. Is it considered blocked or hit? Or do the character go through a blocking player with the 'feature'
 

LolingOctopus

Modest and humble genitalia destroyer
because you are granted a free round if he activate the glitch? How am I being unclear. You make it seem like the glitch is very difficult to perform when it isn't.
The glitch basically give the 'feature' to the player who successfully performed the setup. True. That we all agree on it.

The result of the glitch though, is it truly game breaking? It sounds bad I give it to you, but in reality how is it. There's a shitload of moves we don't even know how they react to this 'feature'. We need to uncover all that dust and unknown and be able to bring facts. THEN we can all discuss about it.

Hell, is there a way BOTH players can get this 'feature'. If so what happens then?

Can we activate this mid-round?

All I can assume right now, is there's a mathematical algorithm that at the end of a setup sets the character status to a value that wasn't meant to be in-game but for cinematic purposes only. We forced that state to be in game. But could there be any variation that allows that state to be enabled IN-GAME. If so we're gonna see an important deviation from our current meta-game.
 
i love glitches and beating games glitch wise is awesome but this isnt the case. This is a lot like players having shot guns legal for soccor games, you could work around it so why not? keeping the glitch just because its "possable" to beat it is crazy talk.
 

CRUM

Noob
The glitch basically give the 'feature' to the player who successfully performed the setup. True. That we all agree on it.

The result of the glitch though, is it truly game breaking? It sounds bad I give it to you, but in reality how is it. There's a shitload of moves we don't even know how they react to this 'feature'. We need to uncover all that dust and unknown and be able to bring facts. THEN we can all discuss about it.

Hell, is there a way BOTH players can get this 'feature'. If so what happens then?

Can we active this mid-round?

All I can assume right now, is there's a mathematical algorithm that at the end of a setup sets the character status to a value that wasn't meant to be in-game. We forced that state to be in game. But could there be any variation that allows that state to be enabled IN-GAME. If so we're gonna see an important deviation from our current meta-game.
well the general consensus is that no moves can break the invincibility. It is game breaking. If both players can do it and it's tournament viable then this game will not last much longer anyway so it won't matter.
 
Kabal, Cyrax, Raiden, and Skarlet can do it mid-screen. I'm not sure if Quan Chi can do it mid-screen, he's the least one I've fooled around with. There may be other characters that can do it as well.
hmm interesting, now i got to wonder, how would this game be if everyone could do this glitch. I do understand that u have to get a throw off, so it isn't the most terrible thing. Most rnds i have seen in mk9 tournaments don't end in throws, so it isn't like ppl could get it off all day if they wanted to. If this was allowed, I would be aware of what they were going for, so it really is avoidable, not saying it should be allowed since that isn't my choice.
 
hmm interesting, now i got to wonder, how would this game be if everyone could do this glitch. I do understand that u have to get a throw off, so it isn't the most terrible thing. Most rnds i have seen in mk9 tournaments don't end in throws, so it isn't like ppl could get it off all day if they wanted to. If this was allowed, I would be aware of what they were going for, so it really is avoidable, not saying it should be allowed since that isn't my choice.
Where have you been man all Kabal needs is a sweep and bingo.
 

LolingOctopus

Modest and humble genitalia destroyer
well the general consensus is that no moves can break the invincibility. It is game breaking.
Correction, the moves used by an AI. The same AI that can't for the love of god poke out of corner pressure.

With the current data we have I tend to agree it is unfair. However, if we let our glitch specialist run wild on this we can discover a new whole level of gameplay for MK9. Then, we'll judge if it is wanted or not once we know all about it.

Not because I don't like milk that I won't let milk expert discover stuff related to daily products.
 
Correction, the moves used by an AI. The same AI that can't for the love of god poke out of corner pressure.

With the current data we have I tend to agree it is unfair. However, if we let our glitch specialist run wild on this we can a new whole level of gameplay for MK9. Then, we'll judge if it is wanted or not once we know all about it.

Not because I don't like milk that I won't let milk expert discover stuff related to daily products.
and in a similar fashion just because you can bite a someone's ear off doesn't mean you should in a boxing match ;)
 

G4S Ermacio

Orbs... Orbs everywhere
a lot of you are failing to recognize that this glitch is most likely not fully explored by anyone yet before you all sit there saying immediately that this is bullshit and stupid and no skill learn what characters can and can't do it how to activate it in every way possible and maybe a new more advanced meta game will come from it, think of it rather than banning the glitch you could put on unlimited time so that the opponent cannot just wait it out or also idk if there is something that i am doing wrong but from my experiences it doesn't stay the whole round if you let go to punish something. all i'm saying is that if you all immediately ban something like this you could easily be missing out on a more fun, and more over all challenging version of this game. Another point characters that are discovered to have this who maybe aren't as high on the tier list will be more likely to succeed now being able to compete with there tools now that the game has a more equal playing field more based on mind games and reads rather than a different version of the game that will still be mostly controlled by kabal because even with all of these glitches banned he is way better than every other character in the game. just give it a try and i know this probably wasn't said very well if there is any confusion please tell me and i will try to clarify, thanks
 

LolingOctopus

Modest and humble genitalia destroyer
and in a similar fashion just because you can bite a someone's ear off doesn't mean you should in a boxing match ;)
Yes, but we all know the consequence of chopping someone's ear. This is however, is something the community never truly faced before. So we should see what are the consequences of it are and understanding the change the legitimacy of it would bring. THEN and only then should we be able to say if it is what the community wants or not. That is, in a logical manner at least.
 

CRUM

Noob
Correction, the moves used by an AI. The same AI that can't for the love of god poke out of corner pressure.

With the current data we have I tend to agree it is unfair. However, if we let our glitch specialist run wild on this we can discover a new whole level of gameplay for MK9. Then, we'll judge if it is wanted or not once we know all about it.

Not because I don't like milk that I won't let milk expert discover stuff related to daily products.
who is going to be this proverbial "judge?" but when you guys determine how this foolish glitch pans out in tournament play, you'll already know that the game has met its end.
 

LolingOctopus

Modest and humble genitalia destroyer
who is going to be this proverbial "judge?" but when you guys determine how this foolish glitch pans out in tournament play, you'll already know that the game has met its end.
So because something doesn't feel right we shouldn't take the time to study it before coming to a conclusion?

edit: also I'm not gonna be the voice of the community or what not. All I'm doing is asking question and forcing people to think about it.

At the end of the day, if the TO says no, I'll be more than happy to oblige. If yes, at least I'll be prepared.
 

LolingOctopus

Modest and humble genitalia destroyer
agreed. I'm done here, there's no sense in arguing about this glitch when there is no way we can convince guys REO that it's a detriment to games future.
I'm not saying it is going to be legit. All I'm saying is we should at least take the time to understand and LEARN from it. If you are against that, there's not much I can say to convince you.
 
Where have you been man all Kabal needs is a sweep and bingo.
I have been here everyday basically haha, I already said that it most likely won't be allowed. I was just saying that your opponent wouldn't get it off easily if it was allowed bcuz you'd be aware of the fact that ppl would go for it. Either way, the tournament organizers will handle this one way or another.
 

Dark_Rob

Noob
This thread reminds me sooooo much of 2 years ago. In the months leading up to MK9's release, 9.95 and I wanted to bring MKvsDC to NEC in Dec. 2010 to have an offline tournament for it(unheard of at the time). One of the biggest challenges we faced was coming up with the ruleset we would use. The community already had a set of community rules they had used for online play that was full of all sorts of things like Flash could only do so many loops of a certain combo before it was an infinite, Supermans ground pound infinite was banned, etc etc.
Now Phil and I didnt play the game so we really didnt know much about it. But the idea of gameplay rules turned us off. Mainly because we came from UMK3 where there werent any gameplay related rules. The more rules you have, the more you have to watch what the players are doing. And we didnt even know how enforcable some of these rules were. I mean how many ground pounds does it take before its an infinite?
REO was firmly on the side of ditching the community rules and just going all out, just as he is now with this invinicibility glitch. So for those thinking hes just straight up trolling, hes always been like this.
In the end we went with the community rules because they were long established and its what everyone else wanted to use. We made this decision to make everyone happy because we wanted to have as many players come and play as we could. This was well before MK tournaments were a common occurence.

However theres a story that the same weekend some people(I think THTB and REO among them) were playing MKD or MKA or one of those games in the hotel rooms that had a community rules list as thick as a phone book as well. They decided to play the game without any of the rules and just play this broken piece of shit as it was. By all accounts from everyone I heard from it actually made the game better because more characters became viable via having access to broken shit.

Im not saying one way or the other whether this glitch should be banned. I dont know enough about it to say, but it sounds like alot of you dont know enough about it either. Nobody knows for sure how many ways there are to activate it, nobody is sure if there are ways to knock someone out of it. Other characters like Skarlet or Raiden who might not otherwise have a shot at winning a tourney may now have a tool that puts them much higher on the tier list. Who knows? We could be on the verge of an MK9 paradigm shift similar to what Alex Valle's custom combos did in the SF Alpha series.
Or it really could be just a broken mess of a glitch with no redeeming value, that shows once and for all how piss poor the programming is for this game. Its not for me to decide.

But I think you guys should see one way or the other. Give it a chance and see what happens. It might change your perception of what the game is, for better or for worse. Some people may like it, others may not.

Its like when Kara/glitch jabbing took over UMK3. It totally changed the game. Some people embraced it and elevated it(Juggs,REO,No Doubt,Marvirrasta). Others like myself and Phil hated it. So we stopped playing the game. The game went on fine without us.

(And before somone goes off on me saying "DUDEEEE, HES INVINCIBLE!! INFUKINVINCIBLE!!!" I agree, on the surface the glitch looks retarted as all hell. All Im saying is that without a little exploration you may never know what else there may be to it. )
 
Okay then let's start hosting MK9 tag tournaments while we're at it. There's so much broken crap there that you can even play Noob Saibot at a competitive level.
Who says you can't play him at a competitive level right now?
Also there was supposed to be a tag tournament at UFGT8 that Tolkeen and I were bound to win... however other "competitors" like Brant McNoskill and Free-G-A 16KitKatBars were too afraid to truly challenge us in no-holds-barred tournament kombat.
 
Who says you can't play him at a competitive level right now?
Also there was supposed to be a tag tournament at UFGT8 that Tolkeen and I were bound to win... however other "competitors" like Brant McNoskill and Free-G-A Crossdresser were too afraid to truly challenge us in no-holds-barred tournament kombat.
There's a reason he's not represented by many people at tournaments and you don't need me to explain to you.