Because Qwark can't speak English. Kappawhy not just talk in the video and tell us whats going on? would be so much easier
also good shit. Joker might be a lil better now
Because Qwark can't speak English. Kappawhy not just talk in the video and tell us whats going on? would be so much easier
much worse. not even close to subzero@quark28, is joker the sub zero fish-status character of this game?
when you hit with sweep at a certain distance a jump will cross depending onwhen you press J2. Late crosses up and avoids wakeups and early doesn't.With sweep, were you trying to show that the spacing changes the crossup properties, or the timing on the jump, or both?
Seems like you hyped up some already known findings again , but still good to have covered them a bit more comprehensively.
I think the optimal followup after the hard KD in the corner is teeth, j3, teeth, j2, teeth, 3 flower, 3 2 flower for 52% I think, or you can end with teeth instead of flower and go for a mb f3 reset. That might need some optimizing though, because it looks like the jump is delayed after tossing the teeth. When you do the crossup, you might be able to follow up with teeth loops as well. Have you tested?
Cat doesn't have this in his guide.Cat has it in the guide video he did a month or so ago, which probably should have been stickied, but wasn't. When I finish my God damn thesis, I'm going to do a big corner tutorial I think.
No, I wasn't aware of that, I wouldn't post it if I was. You said it was on Cat's guide so I assume that was what you meant and it's not the same setup.Well the sweep stuff we have all already talked about and you know that because you were in the conversation. The stance stuff is one thing- that's based on spacing after combos. Neutral game sweep crossups are based on timing of the jump and/or the input timing of j2, as well as spacing. The problem with everything about the sweep is anyone who knows the Joker matchup blocks low all day, and sweep is quite punishable for alot of people.
The corner setup is what I'm referring too, and Gilbagz is correct, the optimized version includes a j2 teeth following the d2 teeth for an additional 3% and the same amount of hitstun. The hitstun only changes based on where the height they are hit down from with the 213, which is all based on timing- if you start it too early the 3 will whiff, and if you start it too late the hitstun will be reduced.
We're not trying to blow you up, but if you wanna not be called out, stop calling everything you post a "huge tech finding" when it's in 6 other threads already man.
The properties of J2 after is not known. It is not known that joker could beat multi hitting wakeups and shit like walking corpse which blow up his regular setups.isnt this tech already known? Most Joker players been doing that shit for a while now.
That setup would lose to multi hitting wakeups and armour, the point of this thread and vid is to show Joker players how to blow up that shit.AFAIK, if done correctly, the known setup is basically an unblockable setup and beats wakeups, i could be wrong tho.
So what are you telling me exactly? The J2 setup that destroys all wakeups that give trouble to joker's normal unblockable was not known.I guess not one explicitly showed following up the setup with a j2, but it's CALLED a setup because it SETS UP followups. teeth -> j2 is the best option on crossup because it is much more consistent, with j3 being great on non-crossups. That would be like me now posting a video showing the combo that you would do after j2, and calling it HUGE GROUNDBREAKING TECH. Get me?
It's good that you started to cover some of the matchup specifics. I'm curious- does Supes rising grab track this or have you not tested that yet? I think it would at least jump him out of the teeth and dodge the crossup.
I like Joker more, I have 2 playstyles and both of those characters I like very much and I have a tendency of not using my main other than in tournament but I might end up just going Joker at tournaments except for 8 2s and matchups I haven't gotten around to grinding yet.A lil off topic, but why did you drop BA for Joker? Or are you just using Joker as an alt?
That's exactly what I've been saying lol, we're arguing over agreeing over the same thing. The tech is the ability to blow up those matchup specific wakeups, you were thinking that I meant the combo probably.Yeahhhhh I'm not gonna sit here all day holding your hand through this difficult time. It's known, it's been known, people have been doing it. You're covering it a bit more comprehensively in terms of matchups- it is an option against people with armored/multihitting wakeups like you said. Take it or leave it. Peace out.