It's not a vortex.Bone shaper is easily top 10.... What are his bnbs ending in f22 vortex of his f4 and b3 ?
It does become a vortex because the projectile ender leaves the opponent at +8 and they're in b3/f4 range. So how else do you define a vortex?It's not a vortex.
You are only at +8. You only have time to do the low. The overhead has 18f of start up. As a defender after the restand you can just block down for a moment then backdash/armor.It does become a vortex because the projectile ender leaves the opponent at +8 and they're in b3/f4 range. So how else do you define a vortex?
Just because it's not a guaranteed (NRS) 50/50, doesn't meant it's still not a vortex. Akuma in SF3 had a "reactable" Vortex and it was still a vortex.You are only at +8. You only have time to do the low. The overhead has 18f of start up. As a defender after the restand you can just block down for a moment then backdash/armor.
allready posted this in the Shinnok combo thread, but here you go (you can find the notations there)Bone shaper is easily top 10.... What are his bnbs ending in f22 vortex of his f4 and b3 ?
The issue isn't whether or not every option is reactable (and IMO, 18 frames isn't), but rather that not every option is guaranteed. This is why the Scorpion forums don't classify Scorpion's post restand options as a vortex.Yeah by fighting game definition it's still a vortex plus he could always opt for a grab which is a 50/50 of it's own.
I know we don't exactly use FGC terms well on here but it is a vortex, albeit a reactable one.