Cibernetico
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I'm not saying Ermac is A tier or A+ tier, but I just don't see how Quan Chi and Shang Tsung are higher than he is. But then again, this is based on bad matchups so this shouldn't even be considered a true tier list imo. Cheers!
In my opinion, not only is she S tier, she is also a top 3 character. I think d+4, 4,2, and ball are too strong. d+4, in particularly, is a funny poke. I have "crouched" under Raiden's superman, Kabal's nomad dash, and Cage's EX shadow kick with d+4. These three moves dominate 90% of all characters in footsies. She also cannot be zoned because of tele-kicks, but she can zone you with iaSBs.Sasuga said:I prefer the chart style. If Mileena is S tier, i'm dropping her!
Tier lists are about match ups. The characters with the least amount of bad match ups are the better / best characters in the game. What else would a tier list be about if not match ups?Cibernetico said:
All these years of playing fighting games, I've been under the impression that tier lists are made up from the tools that each fighter has at their disposal. But if matchups are the true way to determine tiers, why is Kung Lao at A+ instead of S?
I do kind of disagree here. Not to say tierlists are not about matchups, but not solely on bad matchups. Let's say this hypothetical character is 7-3 in advantage over the entire cast, but has 2 bad matchups, while another is 5-5 against the entire cast but has only 1 bad matchup. Now the second would be higher in the tierlist?
Close. Tier Lists are made up from the tools a character has, and how it matches up against all the other character's tools in the same game.
The first character would be ranked a lot higher in a tier list such as this one. For our purposes, REO suggested that we construct a tier list that is very relevant to tournaments. Noob, for example, could be ranked as a high mid tier character in such a tier list. In reality, he is an almost unusable character in tournaments because he loses 7:3 to Kabal and Raiden, two very popular characters. I like tier lists that revolve around competing in tournaments, based on the standard tournament rules. Such tier lists are the most practical.Sasuga said:
Tom and Carl change their minds about Kung Lao on a daily basis. LOL. Honestly, the low hat was toned down too much for the character to remain in S tier.Osu 16 Bit said:
This is why Tier lists are slightly flawed IMO.
Here are my 2 experiences using Mileena against Kenshi - 1 in tournament play, and 1 in Mortal Monday. You see the results:
You do the air throw when hes about to land right? people wont even notice you building meter. do it like 2 or 3 times and its free meter, especially against most of the cast that dont have a teleport or a fast special they can use from far. But at the same time smoke doesnt need meter to use ex attacks since they arent very good. the only one worth using is smoke phase imo, unless you use resets with ex smoke bomb, but I despise that soo...
This. I'd favor the tier list that creates an overall score. A character with five 4-6 match-ups but the rest being 6-4/7-3 in his or her favor should be ranked higher than a character with two 4-6 match-ups with the rest being 5-5.
I hear you. I'd love to try Mileena against his or TEEF's Kenshi. I'd probably get blown away lol.
This is what I'm waiting for. I want a tier list that gives me total number of games won by each character against the whole cast. Whoever has the most wins. But this would require a LOT of feedback from top players, recorded tournament matches, etc. and can only be done using data from the current version.
he has one of the best ex Moves in the game. His exDashPunch is one of the few armor moves that actually puts the opponent right NEXT to Jax... killing zoners in the process.
Yuo got that right. Don't forget the sexy reset and croenr combos. Yeah....it's good to be the king for once. And i'm shock we're even better than KL and Cage.
It's in alphabetical order. Characters listed first from left to right do not mean anything tier-wise.
Ok i agree about the projectile buff. But. If i can keep him in max TKP range he cant punish my TKP's plus i can outzone him only with TKP's cause when he ll try to projectile me TKP will hit him first. The only way for him to punish maxed TKP's are EX dash punches (probably). I dont know Tom maybe its just me but i really dont think he is B tier. Ofc thats only my opinion. What do you think about Ermac vs Mileena then ? You really think its in her favor ?Tom Brady said:
Mileena has the ability to zone Ermac with instant aerial Sai Blasts. Ermac has to approach Mileena and play footsies, yet Mileena is by far the strongest footsie character in the game. With the exception of max range TKPs, Mileena can quickly dash and do d+4, and Ermac has to block. Also, most of Ermac strings are useless in this match up. None of them jail a crouch blocking Mileena. At max TKP range, Ermac has the advantage. Every other part of the screen belongs to Mileena.metzos13 said:
