What's really funny is how much people are complaining about his guns. I think his Sword Flip is going to be the new Kano Upball of Injustice. If people don't hate that shit right off the bat, I'll teach em to hate it real quick...
At the moment, you can duck and jump Deathstroke's zoning unless he reads you correctly. Hence having to zone intelligently. I also have to disagree with your definition of zoning to some extent. As a zoner, it's my primary goal to make sure I'm keeping you at full screen and limiting your options as much as possible. However, that shouldn't be a braindead job, and should require intelligent strategy and good reads. Also, Green Arrow is actually free to zoning.2d MK, in general, does not have zoning. MK only had zoning in MK 1 and MK2 and that was the result of simply avoiding attacks, thus avoiding taking damage, which is the entire purpose of zoning. Zoning doesn't mean my character can just do stuff at full screen, and you can't do anything about it (note: this isn't zoning only when the opposing player MUST take damage. If the opposing player is simply forced to duck or jump and take zero damage, then it is zoning,. However, it might walk a fine line of being 'bad' design because neither player has any incentive to engage the other). If you can't duck or jump to avoid Deathstroke's full screen assault, then it might be an issue. Imo, Noob and Kenshi are horrible designs for the reasons I've mentioned.
Edit: people are mentioning Green Arrow, so maybe that is a countermeasure to DeathStroke.
Between this and the ridiculously fast startup on his guns this is going to be one of the most rage quit on chars in the game.What's really funny is how much people are complaining about his guns. I think his Sword Flip is going to be the new Kano Upball of Injustice. If people don't hate that shit right off the bat, I'll teach em to hate it real quick...
My body is ready.Between this and the ridiculously fast startup on his guns this is going to be one of the most rage quit on chars in the game.
Expect hatemail if you play DS..... Lots of hatemail.......
I got hate mail with Stryker. If I don't get a single death threat using 'stroke, I'll be slightly disappointed...Between this and the ridiculously fast startup on his guns this is going to be one of the most rage quit on chars in the game.
Expect hatemail if you play DS..... Lots of hatemail.......
I'm afraid I don't understand how your analogy relates to zoning. And I completely disagree with "For there to be zoning, you have to have the option to avoid an incoming attack, or match an attack every time regardless of reads on the attacker's part.". You're basically saying that a player should be able to just ignore zoning without having to think about it, which would make every zoning character impotent.I say it's not zoning because look at it like this: if we're lined up to run a race, and I have a bucket of tar, and I get out first and throw my bucket of tar in your lane, causing you to fall behind, are we even running a race? It's one sided in my favor, and there was nothing you could do to avoid the hazard I put out. Take it further and say that the rules say you can't jump at any point in the race. So, you have to stay in your lane, and you can't jump over the tar even if you know it's coming or know that it is there. For there to be zoning, you have to have the option to avoid an incoming attack, or match an attack every time regardless of reads on the attacker's part. Ideally, you should also be able to avoid and gain meter, too, if your opponent is gaining meter from throwing stuff at you from full screen. Yeah, you might be right about Green Arrow. I don't have the game yet.
I got hatemail as Jade. ALL YOU DO IS SPAM GLOW... Ah I love it. I look forward to getting hate mail in Injustice. I always think, if I'm not inducing rage mail I'm not playing as effectively as I should.I got hate mail with Stryker. If I don't get a single death threat using 'stroke, I'll be slightly disappointed...
I...what? Lol what is the Deathstroke's bucket of tar in this analogy?I say it's not zoning because look at it like this: if we're lined up to run a race, and I have a bucket of tar, and I get out first and throw my bucket of tar in your lane, causing you to fall behind, are we even running a race? It's one sided in my favor, and there was nothing you could do to avoid the hazard I put out. Take it further and say that the rules say you can't jump at any point in the race. So, you have to stay in your lane, and you can't jump over the tar even if you know it's coming or know that it is there. For there to be zoning, you have to have the option to avoid an incoming attack, or match an attack every time regardless of reads on the attacker's part. Ideally, you should also be able to avoid and gain meter, too, if your opponent is gaining meter from throwing stuff at you from full screen. Yeah, you might be right about Green Arrow. I don't have the game yet.
The goal of any character is to limit your opponents' options as much as possible. The only difference between zoning and rushdown is that I limit your options from full-screen and suffer in close-proximity, and rushdown is the exact opposite. Just because I limit your options from full-screen instead of close-quarters doesn't make me any more powerful. Just as you need to close the gap to defeat me, I need to maintain my distance to defeat you. Totally equal. Totally fair.I'm talking about the options/choices that a competitor has. You say zoning is the action of limiting an opponent's options, but I'm saying that that is too one sided, and that zoning should be a back and forth 'dance' with both competitors gaining and losing something. Zoning is the jockeying for protecting space and gaining space. My analogy of the race and the tar was about options/choices. The runner with the tar can limit the options of their opponent and their opponent has no choice but to accept the situation. They have no choice but to fall further and further behind, until the runner who had the advantage of using a hazard finishes the race. I'm saying that a player should be able to either match zoning, or avoid what is headed toward them. Anything else than that is just free/easy advantage to one player.
His full screen attacks if they are unavoidable.
PL was playing against a genuinely good player who actually knows how to zone and understands spacing, as opposed to noobs just spamming projectiles and other noobs not finding ways around them, which I believe is what the thread is discussing (I don't think we're actually discussing the highest possible level, as I don't think someone really believes that top players need simplistic hints such as "hold block and dash"). The issue that the OP is discussing (I think) is not whether top players can get around good zoning, but whether noobs can get around "spamming."PL was playing yesterday and having some trouble getting through the zoning with certain characters. PL helped test the game.
Mildly retarded?
Yes I remember those days that pussy players abused Kanos all mighty lag tactics and stuff, glad he got nerfed.We all know what's gonna happen...
So? A good zoner should give you trouble getting in. The game is too new for ANYBODY to be really good at it yet. Everybody needs to learn.PL was playing yesterday and having some trouble getting through the zoning with certain characters. PL helped test the game.
Mildly retarded?
There's armor in Injustice from the start though.He will be the Noob Saibot. In the beginning.
From a newbie's point of view, "wats a armor?"There's armor in Injustice from the start though.
And we have our first official DS downplaying post. FrothyOmen would be proud.He already got a significant nerf on his damage and his frame advantage. DS IS NOT the char you all need to worry about.
#ProblemsWithFilthyCasuals*Tells randscum noob to go to TYM to level up*
*Gets a wall of txt about how I need a life, am fat, and need to get laid*
I'll pass.....
"Keep the change, ya filthy casual!"#ProblemsWithFilthyCasuals
Holy freaking lol"Keep the change, ya filthy casual!"
I still think it wouldn't hurt to try. If you get one person to come here and poke around for every 5 you mentioned it to, it'd be worth it.*Tells randscum noob to go to TYM to level up*
*Gets a wall of txt about how I need a life, am fat, and need to get laid*
I'll pass.....