General/Other - Takeda Takeda General Discussion Thread

[xXstealthflameXx]

How do you deal with b22 xx kunai b2 xx kunai for the entire match

 

[Zoidberg747]

How do you deal with b22 xx kunai b2 xx kunai for the entire match

Armor through when you think he's going to do the kunai

 

[Zoidberg747]

So tonight was my first local going back to Takeda. I went 1-2 but I did much better than I thought I would, I dropped a lot of punishes and tele cancels and still held my own against people who have free'd me up before. Might end up maining Takeda completely again, he is just too much fun.

I have videos ill post tomorrow.

 

[DaksBled]

How do you deal with b22 xx kunai b2 xx kunai for the entire match

Armouring through is one option. But if you have no meter you can just reversal backdash. it even works in the corner because the start up for backdash has some invincible frames

 

[Agoat]

Went 2-2 at Tampa Never Sleeps today. There was another Takeda that was much better than I am, he made it out of pools. I fell to Jason, I had no idea his command grab was a hit instead of a grab. I'm very happy with my first tournament performance, I think Takeda is a lot more viable than I gave him credit for.

 

[BoricuaHeat]

Oh hell yesssssss, we got a good D1 now people and Lasher got some damn nice buffs.

• Takeda – 1 has 9 startup frames (down from 11)
• Takeda – D1 has 8 startup frames (down from 10)
• Takeda (Lasher) - Low Slash is now -19 on block (down from -24)
• Takeda (Lasher) - Whip Trip / Flip is now -11 on block (down from -21)

http://community.wbgames.com/t5/Latest-Updates/Hotfix-6-1-15/ba-p/534237

 

[Amelificent]

Something is better than nothing.

 

[Agoat]

I'm very happy with this update. Jabbing is a viable attack now!

 

[Naug]

Whip Trip safe(ish?) from max range is going to make Lasher a whole lot more viable.

 

[jaepeso170]

The Lasher buffs and jab will really update strategies

 

[Tenryuga]

How is Takeda's pressure? Is he good at opening his opponent up / frustrating them? I was looking with a character with good range to play along side Johnny Cage but most of the zoners in the game aside from Cybernetics Kano and Kenshi do not interest me.

 

[BoricuaHeat]

How is Takeda's pressure? Is he good at opening his opponent up / frustrating them? I was looking with a character with good range to play along side Johnny Cage but most of the zoners in the game aside from Cybernetics Kano and Kenshi do not interest me.

With the buffs to Lasher you can consistently open them up from a distance while remaining relatively safe against most of the cast. To do this you use his B21 which is a double overhead string which can be canceled before the second hit into his low special DB2 and F12+4 from full screen where the last hit of the string hits overhead but also be omitted for DB2. With all that in mind check out Lasher if you like that example of what this variation has to offer.

 

[jaepeso170]

With the buffs to Lasher you can consistently open them up from a distance while remaining relatively safe against most of the cast. To do this you use his B21 which is a double overhead string which can be canceled before the second hit into his low special DB2 and F12+4 from full screen where the last hit of the string hits overhead but also be omitted for DB2. With all that in mind check out Lasher if you like that example of what this variation has to offer.

I agree 100%. The Buffs to Lasher have really made it more difficult to choose between Lasher and Shirai Ryu. If used properly Lasher can definatly control the mid screen and punish from a distance, plus that low slash buff is amazing

 

[BoricuaHeat]

I agree 100%. The Buffs to Lasher have really made it more difficult to choose between Lasher and Shirai Ryu. If used properly Lasher can definatly control the mid screen and punish from a distance, plus that low slash buff is amazing

I just love the fact that all of Takeda's variations are viable now. Ronin for the in your face rush down, Shirai Ryu for the teleport feint mind games and Lasher for full control mid screen.

I'm absolutely happy with these changes and wouldn't request anything more.

 

[jaepeso170]

I just love the fact that all of Takeda's variations are viable now. Ronin for the in your face rush down, Shirai Ryu for the teleport feint mind games and Lasher for full control mid screen.

I'm absolutely happy with these changes and wouldn't request anything more.

You hit the nail on the head. I kept thinking to myself how good Lasher would be if some of the moves had lower frames i.e mainly low slash...so its as if NRS read my mind lol....but seriously the changes are great and I can see Takeda move up in tiers thanks to the Lasher variation

 

[Amelificent]

They could do something to tornado strike. Maybe make the start up better so you can use it armor it as a reversal. It's really kind of a pointless move.

 

[BoricuaHeat]

They could do something to tornado strike. Maybe make the start up better so you can use it armor it as a reversal. It's really kind of a pointless move.

On that I agree. Its main uses boil down to converting off jump kicks on air hit with Lasher/Ronin and punishing a projectile on a read. Maybe changing it to say negative -8 on block so you can still start up pressure versus Takeda if blocked and isn't complete suicide to just throw out.

 

[GuerillaTactix]

On that I agree. Its main uses boil down to converting off jump kicks on air hit with Lasher/Ronin and punishing a projectile on a read. Maybe changing it to say negative -8 on block so you can still start up pressure versus Takeda if blocked and isn't complete suicide to just throw out.

For me just fix the armor properties. There's absolutely no reason someone should be able to d1 you out of an ex tornado strike.. I think the armor should be active more frames or something. IMO since the move is so punishable, they should just be forced to block it then punish. As it is now they can just hit buttons and thats that.

 

[learis1]

So I don't play Takeda but am very interested in Lasher. It seems to have gotten dramatically improved with the patch now that his lash trip special is semi-safe. Are people still viewing Shirai Ryu as the best variation or is Lasher competitive with it now?

 

[jaepeso170]

So I don't play Takeda but am very interested in Lasher. It seems to have gotten dramatically improved with the patch now that his lash trip special is semi-safe. Are people still viewing Shirai Ryu as the best variation or is Lasher competitive with it now?

I think Lasher is now part of the "Which variation is better" convo. I still give the edge to Shirai Ryu but I have been using Lasher more (Whip Trip as a combo ender gets 'em about 80% of the time). Also the Low Slash has better frames so u can zone better and use that range to your advantage....the way I feel Takeda should be used

 

[Zoidberg747]

So I don't play Takeda but am very interested in Lasher. It seems to have gotten dramatically improved with the patch now that his lash trip special is semi-safe. Are people still viewing Shirai Ryu as the best variation or is Lasher competitive with it now?

Not much has changed, Lasher still has its uses and so does Shirai Ryu. If you want to play Lasher than you should. Whip trip being safe is cool but it isnt nearly as huge as the universal d1 buff.

 

[Agoat]

So I don't play Takeda but am very interested in Lasher. It seems to have gotten dramatically improved with the patch now that his lash trip special is semi-safe. Are people still viewing Shirai Ryu as the best variation or is Lasher competitive with it now?

I'm a firm believer that teleports help a lot against a lot of characters but Lasher definitely has a place.

 

[EOTL]

If Lasher df1 became a regular hit and not a poke (i.e it could combo into moves) I would be sold on Lasher.

 

[HomeLee1121]

If Lasher df1 became a regular hit and not a poke (i.e it could combo into moves) I would be sold on Lasher.

it will link with specials now thanks to the recent buffs.

 

[EOTL]

it will link with specials now thanks to the recent buffs.

Nice. What change enabled that? I'm sold. d/f1 is such a great punish move 11 frame startup and huge range. Can punish Bojutsu KJ Ex Spin, KJ telepush, Erron Black Ex Slide with Ease.