General/Other - Shirai Ryu Shirai Ryu General Discussion Thread

[JoeX0rX]

I there's some secret to takeda i am missing i would like to get filled in. He's not that good of a character. A distance fighter in a game where closing the distance is super easy. Then when someone is in your face it's an uphill battle to get back to distance. I mean who's his best matchup and what are the odds? 6/5??

 

[GrimJack]

I there's some secret to takeda i am missing i would like to get filled in. He's not that good of a character. A distance fighter in a game where closing the distance is super easy. Then when someone is in your face it's an uphill battle to get back to distance. I mean who's his best matchup and what are the odds? 6/5??

I can only find out so far that kano beat him quite badly. You can check it on zyphox youtube channel or go to the lab by your self. Kano b1 is 9f start up 0 on block and 4f recovery. you cannot armored out of spamming b1 because he can recover in time and block it. if you are perfectly on point with the frame you can get a trade with 8f uppercut though.
Against GM SZ takeda is one of the only character cannot reversal him out of ice clone.
So my opinion is Buff Demanded

 

[nugava]

Damn, Takeda b21 forbidden ? I am a Raiden player. Posted that on the Raiden forum:
Raiden vs Takeda : Takeda: No dubble overhead allowed. So everytime he's throwing his double overhead (b21), you should EX df2. That beats a bunch of options... Naked b21, b212+4, b21 kunai, b21 EX Kunai, b21 EX Teleport (Or you end up blocking it or you get an "corrected" EX db2). Same with EX Fists, you'll probably end up blocking it. Hard to test. I just put the Raiden AI on EX Shocker on reversal.

And here what you can do:

Edit: Sorry, I just read the thread. Obviously you know that already. My bad.

 

[GrimJack]

Man, I don't want to complain but damn. You need to do so much work with Takeda that it frustrated me. Anyone plan to find a secondary character ?

 

[GrimJack]

Damn, Takeda b21 forbidden ? I am a Raiden player. Posted that on the Raiden forum:
Raiden vs Takeda : Takeda: No dubble overhead allowed. So everytime he's throwing his double overhead (b21), you should EX df2. That beats a bunch of options... Naked b21, b212+4, b21 kunai, b21 EX Kunai, b21 EX Teleport (Or you end up blocking it or you get an "corrected" EX db2). Same with EX Fists, you'll probably end up blocking it. Hard to test. I just put the Raiden AI on EX Shocker on reversal.

And here what you can do:

Edit: Sorry, I just read the thread. Obviously you know that already. My bad.

most of the cast can get out of it with armor. however, you can mix-up with b2 kunai or b3 kunai to keep them guessing

 

[GuerillaTactix]

Damn, Takeda b21 forbidden ? I am a Raiden player. Posted that on the Raiden forum:
Raiden vs Takeda : Takeda: No dubble overhead allowed. So everytime he's throwing his double overhead (b21), you should EX df2. That beats a bunch of options... Naked b21, b212+4, b21 kunai, b21 EX Kunai, b21 EX Teleport (Or you end up blocking it or you get an "corrected" EX db2). Same with EX Fists, you'll probably end up blocking it. Hard to test. I just put the Raiden AI on EX Shocker on reversal.

And here what you can do:

Edit: Sorry, I just read the thread. Obviously you know that already. My bad.

Ggs

 

[LiangHuBBB]

good Takeda play

 

[HuttonMD]

Idk if its been said before and I haven't extensively tested this I just picked up character last week so sorry if this is known or doesn't work against everyone.
I have been using standing 4 as an anti air it reaches opponent's jumping in on you and you can combo it into ex spear for 30% if you have a bar and maybe 20% without. I've been having a lot of success with it and just wanted to share it with you all

 

[GuerillaTactix]

Idk if its been said before and I haven't extensively tested this I just picked up character last week so sorry if this is known or doesn't work against everyone.
I have been using standing 4 as an anti air it reaches opponent's jumping in on you and you can combo it into ex spear for 30% if you have a bar and maybe 20% without. I've been having a lot of success with it and just wanted to share it with you all

I was doing that great in practice mode but I've had difficulty getting it off online.. It's a pretty slow move so there's definitely a lot of risk involved in it but I believe that with practice this will be an amazing tool.

 

[HuttonMD]

Yea it is hit or miss online I've been doing better by taking a step back and kicking but with a some lag it def is hard but I'll get the timing down hopefully its an easy punish

 

[HuttonMD]

Im really liking his play style it hard to get used to and when your pressured its tough but hard knockdowns are my plan so I can gain that sweet spot in range. Any other tips for getting ppl off of you?

 

[BoricuaHeat]

Backdash, jumping away (you could teleport too and screw up a potential punish), mostly universal escapes due to the unreliable aspect of BF2's armor when enhanced.

 

[GuerillaTactix]

Im really liking his play style it hard to get used to and when your pressured its tough but hard knockdowns are my plan so I can gain that sweet spot in range. Any other tips for getting ppl off of you?

This question is the end all be all of Takeda's existence..

 

[HuttonMD]

So we need to come up with a way to not let ppl in so we won't have to worry about the pressure lol its going to be tough coming up with that with all the ways to get in and not keep ppl out

 

[Amelificent]

I think the general consensus it that we are going to have to rely on gimmicks. I don't see Takeda surviving long once punishes are properly documented .His offense..lolol block high. Even if he has bar he's converting ex kunai to 25 at best (if you get the hit). But yea whatever. We're crybabies for wanting a single normal to compete with moves that are literally twice as fast as ours. I honestly can't think of another fighting game where the design philosophy was 'well fuck testing, hold that shit lolololol 420 no scops'. NRS made a character that is literally great at one range and fucking garbage at every other. How is getting knocked down a death sentence ok?

 

[GrimJack]

When I play, if the opponents get close then Takeda got 112 into ex kunai but still don't know if that is good meter usage or not

 

[aieches]

ughh .. i really dig this character but the better i become with him the less fun he is to play.. really feels like im working 3 times as hard as every body else (character wise)..i think it might be about that time to pull the trigger and tweet the guys at NRS. See what they have to say and chime in.. at least give us some dev options or explain Why his wake up and armor is so bad for someone who is also so dependent on meter.. i mean its not even like you can wake xray - you still have at ATTEMPT to make it in the air first .. but really.. who in here EVER has 3 full bars?

 

[GrimJack]

ughh .. i really dig this character but the better i become with him the less fun he is to play.. really feels like im working 3 times as hard as every body else (character wise)..i think it might be about that time to pull the trigger and tweet the guys at NRS. See what they have to say and chime in.. at least give us some dev options or explain Why his wake up and armor is so bad for someone who is also so dependent on meter.. i mean its not even like you can wake xray - you still have at ATTEMPT to make it in the air first .. but really.. who in here EVER has 3 full bars?

well, takeda is not a bad character but he is not as good as the other. how hard it is for a character that have to play mid range while you can punish a -20f move from more than 3/4 of the screen. And he has to use his juice much more than anybody else. and yes. i don't think i ever see my takeda has even two stocks of butter

 

[GuerillaTactix]

So we need to come up with a way to not let ppl in so we won't have to worry about the pressure lol its going to be tough coming up with that with all the ways to get in and not keep ppl out

I'm working on some tech right now. I'm one of the main bitchers but I promise I'll finesse this. I'll upload a video by Tuesday. It's not polished yet but I'm on the precipice of something nice. I feel it.. In the meantime work on hitting b21 after hitting f1 2+4xx ex kunai. It creates this crazy low overhead low mix up that's pretty tough to block. It takes sliding your finger from 1 to 2 then back to 1 in a fluid motion so it's tough but whatever man.. They aren't gunna give us shit so we've gotta take it right? Lol!

 

[Immortal Kombat]

Anyone having trouble with accidentally grabbing interactables when your trying to hold ex kunai into b2? If I'm standing by one I grab it every time when I clearly don't want to. Is there a way to turn interactable shortcuts off?

 

[aieches]

Anyone having trouble with accidentally grabbing interactables when your trying to hold ex kunai into b2? If I'm standing by one I grab it every time when I clearly don't want to. Is there a way to turn interactable shortcuts off?

i haave found myself having this problem and it has felt since last update - i thought it has just been my fingers

 

[JoeX0rX]

i haave found myself having this problem and it has felt since last update - i thought it has just been my fingers

Turn off input shortcuts. Input shortcuts or negative edge is what's causing this. But I'm pretty sure it's input shortcuts.

 

[HuttonMD]

Most of you all probably know this already but just in case I'll share.
If you use ex kunai and hold RT you can delay the explosion so if you think someone is going to armor through you can delay and hit them while they are hitting you.
Now I haven't tried it against all characters armor attacks but I was getting it to work on ex bo swing with kung jin he would still hit me but the explosion would knock him out of his attack

 

[aieches]

Turn off input shortcuts. Input shortcuts or negative edge is what's causing this. But I'm pretty sure it's input shortcuts.

yeah i have all 3 of those options off- im really leaning its my fingers or my stick ( button sticking)

 

[GrimJack]

any suggestion for a secondary for takeda. I think I should learn a new character because now, when I versus a good player, basically I'm free.