Breakthrough - Cryomancer New Sub-Zero "T.O.D." (49-94% reset!)

[Samsara]

lol and people thought ice clone would be the worst of their problems------ I can't stop smiling.

This is hillarious.

 

[conqueror]

I think you are really overstating this

E.G.

Grandmaster

B2, B2, 1, 1, B12xxClone, NjP, JiP, EX-Throw [RESET] B2, B2, 1, 1, B12xxClone, NjP, JiP, B12xxSlide


OMG 73% COMBO FOR ONLY 1 BAR CHARACTER IS OVERPOWERED, GRANDMASTER SUB IS GONNA DESTROY COMPETITIVE MKX


Except it's been there since day 1

Practically every character with a 50/50 has this option as long as they don't have some weird combo style that can't be ended in grab.

do you understand that, you can get out of that reset by pressing 2 or 4?

 

[I GOT HANDS]

No I had no idea, could you please explain to me what tech'ing a grab is?

 

[Burnout]

Braindead I said B12 gives 1% more damage but F12 is the better option for the hit advantage, please read next time.

I was like wow that's harsh, and then I'm like oh that's his actual tag lol.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

I do this all the time with grandmaster and I posted it ohhhh that's not worth it when I can basically get 44% for a bar.

And now this can get 60% ... and "still not worth it" ... ok. lol

I'm using it (IF I ever play cryomancer lol). Good Stuff @DarksydeDash

 

[MsMiharo]

Made this VERY basic midscreen setup off the same idea.

 

[John Grizzly]

do you understand that, you can get out of that reset by pressing 2 or 4?

Do you understand that you can get out of any true reset if you guess right? That includes what OP posted here. An actual reset is something that stops a combo and gives you an opportunity to open the opponent up again resetting the damage. It's not guaranteed damage. I think too many of us got confused by Cyrax's nonsense in MK9. Them shits were not resets. Those were true combos that simply reset the damage mid-combo because NRS couldn't fix the leaky boat.

 

[DarksydeDash]

So I found some "Reptile" tech with Sub. Like his dash, you can slide after hammer for a corpse hop and guess what? They are in range of a 50/50 just be sure they don't expect this reset and delay their wakeup. Seems pretty good so far.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

So I found some "Reptile" tech with Sub. Like his dash, you can slide after hammer for a corpse hop and guess what? They are in range of a 50/50 just be sure they don't expect this reset and delay their wakeup. Seems pretty good so far.

I love Subtile tech. This is better than what I use, but of course... cryo specific. =/

 

[Mikemetroid]

This isn't a 94% combo, its two different combos. Y'all need to stop saying that, its retarded click bait.

 

[Braindead]

So I found some "Reptile" tech with Sub. Like his dash, you can slide after hammer for a corpse hop and guess what? They are in range of a 50/50 just be sure they don't expect this reset and delay their wakeup. Seems pretty good so far.

Yeah someone posted this already in the lab thread.

EDIT: http://testyourmight.com/threads/time-to-go-to-the-lab-with-cryo-and-unbrekable.55651/page-3#post-1881150

 

[KIllaByte]

One throw later, this is a KO. Excellent, exceptional job!
I'd probably omit the hammer combo ender and go for a back throw, which is fast enough to beat most normals and un-armored specials.

 

[CL_ZBFD]

Dudes.. Get ready for the BS Shinnok hordes.. I can hear them coming! Good luck in your high tier endeavors regardless.

 

[Mikemetroid]

Do you understand that you can get out of any true reset if you guess right? That includes what OP posted here. An actual reset is something that stops a combo and gives you an opportunity to open the opponent up again resetting the damage. It's not guaranteed damage. I think too many of us got confused by Cyrax's nonsense in MK9. Them shits were not resets. Those were true combos that simply reset the damage mid-combo because NRS couldn't fix the leaky boat.

Cyrax actually had 94% combos, Sub-Zero does not. Don't say something is 94% if its not guaranteed.

There are standing resets, damage resets, american resets, etc

Sub-Zero's standing reset is performed after any move that keeps an opponent standing after a freeze.
Therefore saying its 94% is super fucking arbitrary, because anyone with a standing reset can technically have an infinite with that logic.

Cyrax's damage reset is a GUARANTEED full combo, nothing you can't stop... so yeah.

 

[John Grizzly]

Cyrax actually had 94% combos, Sub-Zero does not. Don't say something is 94% if its not guaranteed.

There are standing resets, damage resets, american resets, etc

Sub-Zero's standing reset is performed after any move that keeps an opponent standing after a freeze.
Therefore saying its 94% is super fucking arbitrary, because anyone with a standing reset can technically have an infinite with that logic.

Cyrax's damage reset is a GUARANTEED full combo, nothing you can't stop... so yeah.

I understand that the 94% isn't guaranteed. That's what I was getting at with my comment. I never said this was a valid thread title. I was simply stating that someone mentioned the meter burn throw reset to make a point that this tech isn't OP and then someone else (the person who said this tech was overpowered) called them out on that throw being escapable, invalidating the reset, which it doesn't. It's still a POSSIBLE reset. A standing reset, in that case....the same as the one in the OP.

 

[conqueror]

Do you understand that you can get out of any true reset if you guess right? That includes what OP posted here. An actual reset is something that stops a combo and gives you an opportunity to open the opponent up again resetting the damage. It's not guaranteed damage. I think too many of us got confused by Cyrax's nonsense in MK9. Them shits were not resets. Those were true combos that simply reset the damage mid-combo because NRS couldn't fix the leaky boat.

i know what op is talking about, im talking about throw! enhancing throw is not a true reset! cuz second time someone wants to do that on you u can get out!!!

 

[Matix218]

I think you are really overstating this

E.G.

Grandmaster

B2, B2, 1, 1, B12xxClone, NjP, JiP, EX-Throw [RESET] B2, B2, 1, 1, B12xxClone, NjP, JiP, B12xxSlide


OMG 73% COMBO FOR ONLY 1 BAR CHARACTER IS OVERPOWERED, GRANDMASTER SUB IS GONNA DESTROY COMPETITIVE MKX


Except it's been there since day 1

Practically every character with a 50/50 has this option as long as they don't have some weird combo style that can't be ended in grab.

Um, isnt ex throw only +4 or anything so any character in the game can just poke before the b2 will come out. This find in cryo gives enough frame advantage that they can't do anything but guess

 

[Braindead]

Um, isnt ex throw only +4 or anything so any character in the game can just poke before the b2 will come out. This find in cryo gives enough frame advantage that they can't do anything but guess

MB throws leave you at about +24 or +26 according to the character.

EDIT: Found Paulo's response: http://testyourmight.com/members/colt.208/?page=2#profile-post-175868

 

[Matix218]

MB throws leave you at about +24 or +26 according to the character.

Holy crap! It never felt like even close to that much advantage to mb a throw. That's odd. I guess im wrong

 

[Braindead]

Holy crap! It never felt like even close to that much advantage to mb a throw. That's odd. I guess im wrong

No it definitely feels like that. If you use a grappling character try to do a MB throw and go immediately for the command grab, you'll see it will whiff. The command grab will whiff during the hit stun of most (all?) moves - outside juggles -, so you can get a feeling of how long it lasts.

BTW I edited my previous response so you can see Paulo's answer.

 

[enkil]

http://cosplay.kotaku.com/love-at-first-frostbite-1728121787

 

[DarksydeDash]

Just saw this tech used from Brozki on Pig's stream, glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks this is too good.