Tech - Kotal Kahn Kotal Khan 7F safejump setup

[RYX]

Cool stuff

I wonder if he can get the same set up off a throw (that's my fetish)

 

[Qwark28]

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This setup can be tech rolled and woken out off. The problem is not the tech roll, it's the reversal/wakeup after.

You can do the exact same setup with 212 which should work just fine though

 

[Qwark28]

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This setup can be tech rolled and woken out off. The problem is not the tech roll, it's the reversal/wakeup after.

You can do the exact same setup with 212 which should work just fine though

 

[Qwark28]

 

[kabelfritz]

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This setup can be tech rolled and woken out off. The problem is not the tech roll, it's the reversal/wakeup after.

You can do the exact same setup with 212 which should work just fine though

thx for the tag Quark but im in the kano army now

 

[KIllaByte]

This is smart stuff!

 

[GAV]

 

[KeyserSoze]

I just want to reiterate how awesome this tech is. Really excited to get in the lab and get this down.

Im really glad you picked up kotal, qwark

 

[KeyserSoze]

This is precisely the type of thing that us blood god and sun god players need to find and use to our advantage. Our boy kotal does insane damage . . . We just have to continue to find more and more ways to open people up by optimally utilizing our very unique toolset.

 

[Qwark28]

Everyone please note that THIS is the optimal setup.

The original video's setup is full of holes, you can delay wakeup, you can tech roll, etc.

In the video quoted, here's what happens.

Spin stuffed
8F D1 stuffed
Wakeup EX spin blocked ( Recorded d1 spam so AI let go of block )
DELAYED EX spin wasn't able to be blocked
DELAYED WAKEUP EX spin wasn't able to be blocked

The fact that almost none of his strings end in hard knockdowns cripple this character.

This is what happens when you try to balance a character based on a million archetypes all clusterfucked together.

 

[KeyserSoze]

So, 212 is our best option then?

 

[Qwark28]

So, 212 is our best option then?

Yes

 

[SHAOLIN]

Yo! Good shit Qwark28

I gotta ask are we Street Fighter 4 now?

 

[Qwark28]

Yo! Good shit Qwark28

I got to ask are we Street Fighter 4 now?

No, never will be.

 

[SHAOLIN]

No, never will be.

It was meant to be joke,nonetheless good find my friend.

 

[Crayraven]

This is precisely the type of thing that us blood god and sun god players need to find and use to our advantage. Our boy kotal does insane damage . . . We just have to continue to find more and more ways to open people up by optimally utilizing our very unique toolset.

Word.

 

[SepticFir8]

Everyone please note that THIS is the optimal setup.

The original video's setup is full of holes, you can delay wakeup, you can tech roll, etc.

In the video quoted, here's what happens.

Spin stuffed
8F D1 stuffed
Wakeup EX spin blocked ( Recorded d1 spam so AI let go of block )
DELAYED EX spin wasn't able to be blocked
DELAYED WAKEUP EX spin wasn't able to be blocked

The fact that almost none of his strings end in hard knockdowns cripple this character.

This is what happens when you try to balance a character based on a million archetypes all clusterfucked together.

So,... you think it would be better to end his combos with 212 instead of trying to go with more damage with an air takedown ender?

And what are you referencing by a million archetypes? (Curiouser and curiouser..)

 

[Qwark28]

So,... you think it would be better to end his combos with 212 instead of trying to go with more damage with an air takedown ender?

And what are you referencing by a million archetypes? (Curiouser and curiouser..)

You should always end combos with L3 command grab unless you want sun ray setups IMO.

He has a command grab, parry, healing, self hurting buff, a projectile, an air throw that doesn't work, he's a mess.

 

[SepticFir8]

You should always end combos with L3 command grab unless you want sun ray setups IMO.

He has a command grab, parry, healing, self hurting buff, a projectile, an air throw that doesn't work, he's a mess.

Well at least he has a few consistencies like most of moves being incredibly slow to start or recover.

 

[Slips]

I don't mean to be petty, but a safe jump usually means you can do your jump attack safely and still block the 'reversal' or in NRS terminology their wakeup attack if they so choose so. This seems more like a 'bait' to get them to wakeup, and not really a safe jump.

Not saying this isn't good tech, but the terminology is a little mis-leading. Ok I'm done.

 

[Qwark28]

I don't mean to be petty, but a safe jump usually means you can do your jump attack safely and still block the 'reversal' or in NRS terminology their wakeup attack if they so choose so. This seems more like a 'bait' to get them to wakeup, and not really a safe jump.

Not saying this isn't good tech, but the terminology is a little mis-leading. Ok I'm done.

I was actually arguing this on reddit because safejump is also often referred to as a plain jump that allows you to block a wakeup.

 

[Slips]

I was actually arguing this on reddit because safejump is also often referred to as a plain jump that allows you to block a wakeup.

Right cause in Street Fighter the landing frames are the same whether you do an attack on the way down or not. So you always do the jump kick/punch in Street Fighter whereas NRS games if you commit to the jump attack you'll probably get hit by the armored wakeup. Plus the fact that there is no pushing back to block makes safe jumps, in the Capcom traditional sense, not practical.

 

[RNLDRGN]

Everyone please note that THIS is the optimal setup.

The original video's setup is full of holes, you can delay wakeup, you can tech roll, etc.

In the video quoted, here's what happens.

Spin stuffed
8F D1 stuffed
Wakeup EX spin blocked ( Recorded d1 spam so AI let go of block )
DELAYED EX spin wasn't able to be blocked
DELAYED WAKEUP EX spin wasn't able to be blocked

The fact that almost none of his strings end in hard knockdowns cripple this character.

This is what happens when you try to balance a character based on a million archetypes all clusterfucked together.

What about wake-up grab???

 

[Qwark28]

What about wake-up grab???

Wakeup grab is tagged I believe.

 

[RNLDRGN]

Wakeup grab is tagged I believe.

Tagged, as in you can D1 them out of it?

My point is that if you're baiting a wake-up, you're wide open for wakeup grab b/c you won't be trying to tag them with a D1.

This is good tech, but I only see it working once or twice before ppl wakeup grab.