Breakthrough - Tarkatan Is Tweedy better than YOMI and cR (except fox) combined?

[Indecisive]

@RM Indecisive based on the evidence you presented, there's nothing Jax does that counters Erron's tools and makes the mu hard. Erron can get pressured in the corner and if he guesses wrong he dies. But that's the same for everyone. Erron has a good enough poke to escape. He has enough safety and pressure up close and Gunslinger outzones Jax in the neutral, and both of them armor break each other. There's no 6-4 here based on all the tools we've talked about.

You've failed to prove to me why Jax wins so you run to a known player and get a number and expect me to just kneel down and give up my argument with no proof otherwise I'm stupid? Yeah I'm definitely the dumb one here -_-

I gave you a lot of reasons. The biggest being Jax's better buttons and pressure tools. I asked if you wanted more but you dropped the discussion to keep the thread on topic. I asked Gunshow his opinion on the MU to make sure i wasn't incorrect and cause i know he has MU exp against Jupiter. If he said 5-5 or erron wins i would of said that. Also zoning in MKX is kinda shit TBH. I didn't say you where stupid.

 

[Rude]

I 100% disagree. There's no way Jax wins against gunslinger imo. 5-5 at most. But whatever

EDIT- Oh and I'm a stupid TYM person for disagreeing respectfully on a matchup? Seems obvious that you're the one that's stupid, and apparently 12 years old.

Did you just call Indecisive 12 years old?

That's worse than being called AIDS TYM.

@RM Indecisive will you let such tomfoolery stand???

 

[F6TUS6AT6R]

I mean....maybe I'm biased cause I'm married...but that's too far.

Call him an asshole, but no one needs to talk about family.

Jeez.

I wasnt really talking about his family in a demeaning manner, just him. I wouldnt talk bad about anyones family maliciously over the internet...seems a bit childish.

 

[hkriderz]

I gave you a lot of reasons. The biggest being Jax's better buttons and pressure tools. I asked if you wanted more but you dropped the discussion to keep the thread on topic. I asked Gunshow his opinion on the MU to make sure i wasn't incorrect and cause i know he has MU exp against Jupiter. If he said 5-5 or erron wins i would of said that. Also zoning in MKX is kinda shit TBH. I didn't say you where stupid.

"@Noble_GunShow I need to regulate stupid TYM people. Whats the Erron Jax MU?"

Seems obvious to me.

And I said I took all you said into consideration, and we came to a stop at 5-5. There was nothing in your argument that overturned the mu and makes it so Jax won. I have countered every argument you presented.

Stop throwing known players or sets in my face for validation. I need cold hard facts on why Jax wins. 6-4 means the character wins because he can counter the others main tools and makes it harder for the other to play his game essentially. And if Erron isn't in the corner that's not happening. Zoning sucks in MKX, but Jax still gets outzones easy as far as I've seen. Erron has enough tools to keep Jax just running in.

Again, if there's any other thing in the mu that Jax has that beats gunslingers game, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you're grasping at straws.

 

[hkriderz]

Did you just call Indecisive 12 years old?

That's worse than being called AIDS TYM.

@RM Indecisive will you let such tomfoolery stand???

*yawn. I had a nice discussion with the dude. He went to Twitter and called me stupid because I disagreed with him. So yeah that was pretty "12 year old" of him. Idc about any rep or stuff he has lol

 

[Insuperable]

The answer to the question was: The answer cannot be determined from the information provided.

Thanks for trying, though

 

[Indecisive]

Did you just call Indecisive 12 years old?

That's worse than being called AIDS TYM.

@RM Indecisive will you let such tomfoolery stand???

I didn't even notice he said that lol

"@Noble_GunShow I need to regulate stupid TYM people. Whats the Erron Jax MU?" Seems obvious to me.

And I said I took all you said into consideration, and we came to a stop at 5-5. There was nothing in your argument that overturned the mu and makes it so Jax won. I have countered every argument you presented.

Stop throwing known players or sets in my face for validation. I need cold hard facts on why Jax wins. 6-4 means the character wins because he can counter the others main tools and makes it harder for the other to play his game essentially. And if Erron isn't in the corner that's not happening. Zoning sucks in MKX, but Jax still gets outzones easy as far as I've seen. Erron has enough tools to keep Jax just running in.

Again, if there's any other thing in the mu that Jax has that beats gunslingers game, I'm all ears. Otherwise, you're grasping at straws.

Oh ya. I forgot about that. Thats a blow up on me haha. Again if Gunshow said 5-5 or Erron wins. I would of said i was wrong and you where right. I asked Gunshow cause he played Erron vs Jupiter. Not even cause he was a known player. He was just the only player i knew that has played the MU.

 

[Indecisive]

*yawn. I had a nice discussion with the dude. He went to Twitter and called me stupid because I disagreed with him. So yeah that was pretty "12 year old" of him. Idc about any rep or stuff he has lol

I don't have any "rep" I suck at this game. lol

 

[God Confirm]

@RM Indecisive based on the evidence you presented, there's nothing Jax does that counters Erron's tools and makes the mu hard. Erron can get pressured in the corner and if he guesses wrong he dies. But that's the same for everyone. Erron has a good enough poke to escape. He has enough safety and pressure up close and Gunslinger outzones Jax in the neutral, and both of them armor break each other. There's no 6-4 here based on all the tools we've talked about.

You've failed to prove to me why Jax wins so you run to a known player and get a number and expect me to just kneel down and give up my argument with no proof otherwise I'm stupid? Yeah I'm definitely the dumb one here -_-

just stop posting

 

[hkriderz]

just stop posting

No one asked.

 

[hkriderz]

I didn't even notice he said that lol


Oh ya. I forgot about that. Thats a blow up on me haha. Again if Gunshow said 5-5 or Erron wins. I would of said i was wrong and you where right. I asked Gunshow cause he played Erron vs Jupiter. Not even cause he was a known player. He was just the only player i knew that has played the MU.

If gunshow thinks that way and you agree with him that Jax wins then that's you man. But I'm not convinced yet based on our discussion. I'm sure you would agree because our discussion had come to a stalemate. I'd like to be proven wrong but we can leave it where we are. No hard feelings

But I'm making you hold that blow up

 

[ArmedCalf]

I know it's facts but don't be so harsh. You probably hurt the poor guys feelings.

Nah I'm good lol, only takes one tournament to get a little hype behind me and I already have a little hype without going offline People remember EVO medals until they see someone show up and start stealing faces. If I get the title of the people's Shinnok well hellllllll that's better in my book

 

[GOOD DRAGON]

If gunshow thinks that way and you agree with him that Jax wins then that's you man. But I'm not convinced yet based on our discussion. I'm sure you would agree because our discussion had come to a stalemate. I'd like to be proven wrong but we can leave it where we are. No hard feelings

But I'm making you hold that blow up

I have played the matchup A LOT and i can confirm its 5.5 in jax favour - very close but jax has more tools to subdue errons options.

 

[GAV]

I know it's facts but don't be so harsh. You probably hurt the poor guys feelings.

Words hurt...

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Why are you acting like a crazy man? Tweedy is no where near the history that Yomi has created.

No I mean I would take him today like 1v1 vs most of yomi players today in a ft3

Comparing tweedy history vs yomi lol, there is NOOOOOOOO contest. Not even the tiniest of comparisons. I just think today before the patch he would give most yomi members problems

After the patch yea he'll probably get destroyed

 

[SaltFace NS]

Djt and Mit stopped playing so much because of school. Zyphox quit because he doesn't have fun, and Saltface quit for a while till Summer Jam. Forever King seems like he just hasn't cared as much since XL first came out probably. He's even said he hasn't trained like he usually does. Michalengelo and Slayer seem to be the only ones consistently playing but even they haven't attended tournaments recently. Jago Blake and Tyrant just haven't had too much success at this game (no shots) from what I can recall. I heard Tyrant did good at the beginning but I don't think I paid attention to the tournament scene like that at the start so idr lol

Also one more thing. I AM NOT YOMI. Not anymore. I am with NS Gaming. I went my separate ways with YOMI.

 

[SaltFace NS]

No I mean I would take him today like 1v1 vs most of yomi players today in a ft3

Comparing tweedy history vs yomi lol, there is NOOOOOOOO contest. Not even the tiniest of comparisons. I just think today before the patch he would give most yomi members problems

After the patch yea he'll probably get destroyed

I always find these kinds of threads funny man.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

I always find these kinds of threads funny man.

It's purely a troll thread and gets people juiced lol

 

[Eddy Wang]

Ask and the Tortoise shall provide. @Tweedy feel free to demand apologies from/dick slap the following

(Also, congrats, awesome performance)

Goddamn even Jynx?

 

[KingHippo]

It's not like TOs can force players to go to events. So saying "x event doesn't matter because Sonic Fox wasn't there" is ridiculous. Everyone is doing the best they can, and spreading the narrative that only certain tournaments matter, or only matter if x person goes, kills the incentive for people to travel.

The moment that happens, the moment someone starts saying, "well, i'm not going to The Fall Classic because placing doesn't matter since Foxy won't be there," is the moment people stop traveling.

Why travel at all if the community has already decided that it doesn't matter?

People talk about balance killing the game, about 50/50s killing the game, but let's be serious here:

Telling players that the tournaments they choose to go to don't matter will kill your game faster than anything else. If the game dies, it won't matter who won what because there will be nothing to go to.

Having stuff like CEO and KiT is great, but we need events like The Common Wealth, Absolute Battle, ECT, etc as well.

Again, this is too emotional and is overlooking the greater point.

If you have a guy who wants to proclaim that he is the best, by all means he should beat the best. If you place at a comparatively weak event, it's just not good enough evidence for most top players. A lot of times, what matters at smaller tournaments most is who you beat.

Ex. Kevo beat Scar and Dragon to get 3rd at TCW. Whether or not TCW is a comparatively weak tourney is irrelevant considering this fact.

It's just like in pro sports where some divisions simply have weaker teams on average than others, some tournaments will as well. It's not a slight, just reality of competition. Top guys will judge a tournament based on who's playing. If the people considered top simply aren't there, then them's the breaks. At that point the best you can do is win even the smallest event to gain momentum to carry into the big event. Not every tourney can be a "major" tourney, and that's cool (that's cool), but please don't grovel about how it tears down the scene when that is why it thrived just years prior.

Like I also mentioned before, rarely does these competitors sit on their laurels; Scar, Sonic, Hayatei and others travel quite a bit and even at smaller tournaments you'll probably run into them. If you beat them, then you get the props. Simple as that. And people have after this weekend.

Tournaments being relatively weak =/= every single player is weak.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Again, this is too emotional and is overlooking the greater point.

If you have a guy who wants to proclaim that he is the best, by all means he should beat the best. If you place at a comparatively weak event, it's just not good enough evidence for most top players. A lot of times, what matters at smaller tournaments most is who you beat.

Ex. Kevo beat Scar and Dragon to get 3rd at TCW. Whether or not TCW is a comparatively weak tourney is irrelevant considering this fact.

It's just like in pro sports where some divisions simply have weaker teams on average than others, some tournaments will as well. It's not a slight, just reality of competition. Top guys will judge a tournament based on who's playing. If the people considered top simply aren't there, then them's the breaks. At that point the best you can do is win even the smallest event to gain momentum to carry into the big event. Not every tourney can be a "major" tourney, and that's cool (that's cool), but please don't grovel about how it tears down the scene when that is why it thrived just years prior.

Like I also mentioned before, rarely does these competitors sit on their laurels; Scar, Sonic, Hayatei and others travel quite a bit and even at smaller tournaments you'll probably run into them. If you beat them, then you get the props. Simple as that. And people have after this weekend.

Tournaments being relatively weak =/= every single player is weak.

I COMPLETELY agree with everything you're saying

 

[Rude]

Again, this is too emotional and is overlooking the greater point.

If you have a guy who wants to proclaim that he is the best, by all means he should beat the best. If you place at a comparatively weak event, it's just not good enough evidence for most top players. A lot of times, what matters at smaller tournaments most is who you beat.

Ex. Kevo beat Scar and Dragon to get 3rd at TCW. Whether or not TCW is a comparatively weak tourney is irrelevant considering this fact.

It's just like in pro sports where some divisions simply have weaker teams on average than others, some tournaments will as well. It's not a slight, just reality of competition. Top guys will judge a tournament based on who's playing. If the people considered top simply aren't there, then them's the breaks. At that point the best you can do is win even the smallest event to gain momentum to carry into the big event. Not every tourney can be a "major" tourney, and that's cool (that's cool), but please don't grovel about how it tears down the scene when that is why it thrived just years prior.

Like I also mentioned before, rarely does these competitors sit on their laurels; Scar, Sonic, Hayatei and others travel quite a bit and even at smaller tournaments you'll probably run into them. If you beat them, then you get the props. Simple as that. And people have after this weekend.

Tournaments being relatively weak =/= every single player is weak.

When you put it that way, it does make sense.

 

[Tri-Zero]

God, i knew signing up on TYM was a good idea. You guys are good entertainment lol

 

[GAV]

Not that anyone is talking about this here, but as someone who has been following the scene both here and through streams - I have a thought.

Tweedy's Alien, as long as he isn't completely Cyber Sub Zeroed, isn't going to be affected all that much. Watching him play, he's a reactive player - who doesn't really abuse any of Alien's OP elements. If he stays hungry, I have no doubt that he will continue to build upon his resume'.

 

[KingHippo]

My main point is that not every tournament can (nor should be) a major event. It's not feasible, and it's certainly not logical. Certain times of the year, certain areas of the country, etc. just make it easier for a lot of the talent to get to one place more than others. But, like most pro sports, these other tournies, while not necessarily stacked with talent, will probably have a decent handful of good players that one could beat to establish themselves as a name. But as far as like, someone placing top 16/9th at a smaller event like that, it doesn't necessarily build a big case for being a dominant player. Which just makes sense.

At no point do grassroots events stop being a wonderful opportunity for the community at large, it just means that they don't have to pump themselves up as a "major" in order to get players to come. People will come regardless, and if top guys decide it's not worth their time, oh well, can't mourn forever. But you'd better believe that if a major upset happens in that area and they get a sense that there is some major talent in the area, they'll come out the next year.