Ok so we have the hayatei and pig examples now, but to counter that example we could use sonic fox (Kitana and Erron) who are both relatively mid tier characters (right?) and myself (Buzzsaw Kung Lao) who is also relatively mid tier/now IMO quite low) we managed to make it alright.
When was the last time you saw sonic pick Erron against any of Yomi's tempests? against any tempest even? yeah das rit, he always picks kitana.
Mid tier.S tier?No.Why? Terrible mixups, gets zoned out by many characters, damage isn't very good after those RIDICULOUS nerfs, is completely reliant on spacing and zoning which many characters do better.So IMO she's solid mid tier.
Just because kitana goes even against temp lao doesn't make her S tier lol. That's like saying reptile it broken because he beats Quan. Why would they have an invested intrest in downplaying kitana? Her antizoning not second to none.
you forgot the cheap before 50/50 bruh. Don't ever forget the cheap.
An S-tier is an S-tier because it got no losing mu outside of S-tier, If a character out plays every other character in anyway including S-tiers then it is an S-tier itself. She has the fastest projectile in the game that also launches from near full screen, along with the best reflect move. please name a better zoner(s)
You're making assumptions that you can't support as far as that second paragraph goes. And Quan chi is a much better zoner than kitana. Fan only launchers if they jump. Kanos knives are faster. She has no mixups besides throw and x-ray. Good but not S. There's not some secret YOMI illuminati trying to deny kitana her rightful place. Jesus, maybe she's just a perfectly viable mid tier character.
Bah, in this game even defending your char isn't worth it, upplayers are fooling themselves, I won't be doing that anymore
Ofcourse it's an assumption, as i said in my previous reply, I don't know why she's being down played by many. Quan have better zoning tools but he is not faster and he doesn't have any defense, unlike kitana. Also comparing her zoning to another S-tier only just proves my point. Kano's daggers might be slightly faster but it doesn't launch and the firing rate does not compare to kitana's instant jumps. Kitana only needed mixups to be just as broken as pre-patched tanya, she's meant be a keepaway zoner with excellent mobility and pressure. top tier footsies game and a 12f two hit armored anti air reversal launcher. applying intense pressure on her is your only chance, but she can counter pick that with her assassin variation that got the best parry in the game so far which completely shuts down characters like kotal khan.
Funny that you mention Kotal kahn because he has the best parry in the game. She's not being downplayed. They are a group of guys that play more mkx than just about anyone and have no motivation to downplay kitana. She's good but not S. I can think of more than 10 characters off the top of my head that are undoubtedly better than kitana. If she was as amazing as you say why isn't she tearing it up every single tournament. I guess she's S if your opponent likes to jump lol.
@A F0xy Grampa I'm not claiming this is end all be all, and I agree there are times when skill can over come tier. You and Sonicfox are godlike and these characters while not top tier are relatively great, because this game is honestly not to bad balance wise. But, to think anyone can over come the true bottom tier and to say its mainly skill is to insinuate you can win a major with @Pig Of The Hut Kenshi and @YOMI REO Jason. Until this is done we loyalist will be waiting for someone to show us were bad and need to lvl up, until then its easier said then done......
It's just an understanding of tools and how you can use them to manipulate your opponent to behave a certain way. Regardless of tiers, if you play to the strengths of your character's tools you can force certain behaviors and capitalize on them. And going the other way, if you play a certain way against your opponent's tool you can force certain behaviors as well.
This guy is crazy.
