Future of MKX on PC; MKXL Enhanced Online PC BETA

[Juxtapose]

Dude, that was sarcasm...

PC support is officially dropped. They will not turn off online servers for now, but that's about it.

Incorrect. Kindly post the link to the statement where the support for the PC version is officially dropped. You can not because it does not exist.

Although this may prove the case in the end, all we know for certain right now is that the PC version is not getting the "komplete" edition of the game, Kombat Pack 2, and the rollback netcode beta.

 

[Juxtapose]

Look, it's really shitty WB has stopped supporting this game with future updates, but there is absolutely zero legal merit to any such false advertising claims or any legal basis for a class action lawsuit. They have every legal right to not update the game any more. It doesn't mean it's not shitty to customers, but there is absolutely no legal wrongdoing, so any such efforts are completely frivolous and misguided, and I say that as someone who bought the PC version.

The only thing you can do at this point is to hurt them in the wallet by not buying ANY more WB games while telling them exactly why.

^This, without question.

 

[Parasurama]

I have a pc and Ps4 and I still think it sucks to have paid for the pc game and the first kombat pack, open most of the krypt and now it is being abandoned. It is not right. All the bickering about consoles and master races is childish. The consumer has been cheated to some degree. I still have the Ps4 game but what about people with a pc only, they have to get a console just to play the game.... that is not right. These are people who supported NRS on PC.

 

[chris999]

So it's really interesting what is going to happen with the online mode of the game in pc, because we know that we are not getting the new netcode beta and new balance patches, however there isn't an official statement that the servers of the game are going down. Keep in mind that right now the servers of MK9 PC are still active. So if MKX servers stay up and consoles get the new netcode+the new content, we will have the first port that at the same time is not a port, because the word port means two identical games on different platforms, so I wonder what will be the official explanation about it... and of course someone could say that there are plenty of ports with exclusive content in some editions, but this information is public and already communicated to the potential buyers before launch.

Anyway, my last point has to do with who has the main responsibility for this whole situation, I see that many people defend NRS with great passion. I don't say that I have evidence to accuse them, but we as customers can't have access to the events and the dialogues that led to the decision. Could you guarantee that NRS hasn't taken the final decision to discontinue this project over another for example the new Injustice game? Because if this is the case I will consider them equally responsible even if they din't create the pc edition in the first place.

 

[Juxtapose]

So it's really interesting what is going to happen with the online mode of the game in pc, because we know that we are not getting the new netcode beta and new balance patches, however there isn't an official statement that the servers of the game are going down. Keep in mind that right now the servers of MK9 PC are still active. So if MKX servers stay up and consoles get the new netcode+the new content, we will have the first port that at the same time is not a port, because the word port means two identical games on different platforms, so I wonder what will be the official explanation about it... and of course someone could say that there are plenty of ports with exclusive content in some editions, but this information is public and already communicated to the potential buyers before launch.

Anyway, my last point has to do with who has the main responsibility for this whole situation, I see that many people defend NRS with great passion. I don't say that I have evidence to accuse them, but we as customers can't have access to the events and the dialogues that led to the decision. Could you guarantee that NRS hasn't taken the final decision to discontinue this project over another for example the new Injustice game? Because if this is the case I will consider them equally responsible even if they din't create the pc edition in the first place.

We are not getting the beta, true, but we may still get the actual rollback netcode and future balance patches; we don't know yet. The only thing communicated thus far is that we are not getting Kombat Pack 2 and the "komplete" edition of the game. We also know we are not getting the rollback netcode beta. Everything else is still speculation at this point.

As to who has the main responsibility, that would be Warner Brothers Interactive Entertainment. WBIE owns both NetherRealm Studios and the Mortal Kombat franchise. They are the publisher, owner, and the ones who provide the funding for the projects and thus, they have the final decision on anything Mortal Kombat related.

NetherRealm Studios has never officially worked on the PC version of the game, WBIE hired High Voltage Software to do the port and then QLOC for additional porting, however both HVS and QLOC had to follow the direction and instruction of WBIE as their customer.

 

[KeyserSoze]

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People fully comprehend why PC players are getting shafted from a purely selfish, monetary point of view. However, what many are arguing here is that it simply isn't right. Furthermore, some people are also suggesting that, in the long term, based on the perceived outrage it continues to induce, it was a tenuous business decision.

 

[SomeAnonGuy]

I have a feeling they're going to eventually release MKXL on PC, separate from the game that's already out on Steam in one lump sum, similar to what they did with MKKE. THEN maybe offer an upgrade to MKXL for existing MKX owners like how Capcom did with SSF4 to USF4. I mean, so far the only "confirmation" we've received is from that one guy posting here on TYM.

They're out to make money. They just want to do it the easiest way possible. And now that people have (rightly) said their peace about it, they're not gonna pass up an opportunity to make more. Hell, I may even buy the upgrade (if they went that route) so long as it's less than what a KP2 season pass is, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna buy the game again or KP2 in any aspect. I just want the netcode.

Though the PC community isn't as diverse as PS4 or Xbone (lol), you can still find a game to play. We're small, yes. But not irrelevant.

 

[Rude]

I'm not cooling down until somebody at WB is standing at the unemployment line scared to death about how he's going to provide for his wife and children all because he thought it was a good idea to fuck over 500,000 people. You heard me right; I want scapegoats, and I want them punished over this.

So you want people to lose their livelihoods and the ability to support their families because you can't play a video game on your PC.

The stupidity has reached critical mass.

 

[chris999]

We are not getting the beta, true, but we may still get the actual rollback netcode and future balance patches; we don't know yet. The only thing communicated thus far is that we are not getting Kombat Pack 2 and the "komplete" edition of the game. We also know we are not getting the rollback netcode beta. Everything else is still speculation at this point.

As to who has the main responsibility, that would be Warner Brothers Interactive Entertainment. WBIE owns both NetherRealm Studios and the Mortal Kombat franchise. They are the publisher, owner, and the ones who provide the funding for the projects and thus, they have the final decision on anything Mortal Kombat related.

NetherRealm Studios has never officially worked on the PC version of the game, WBIE hired High Voltage Software to do the port and then QLOC for additional porting, however both HVS and QLOC had to follow the direction and instruction of WBIE as their customer.

Yes I agree and as a lot of people said the statement that kp2+xl edition will not be available on pc , is an answer that has to do with a specific date and I mean 1st of March. So right now they might buy some time with all this silence from both NRS and WB, in order to decide what is their next move, otherwise they could just write an apology statement explaining the situation and the speculation part would be over by now.

Regarding the responsibility conversation again, I also agree to your version of the story, is more possible to has happened this way. I mean even if NRS wanted to support PC version without WB permission + money couldn't do it. But we have also to understand that even if WB is their boss they are still partners and in situations like these there is dialog between partners. So if a WB manager told Ed Boon about pc demographics and said to him "we can hire a port company with half of the previous budget and your team will need to work for X months Y amount of extra hours in order to help with the porting procedure in order to have this pc edition ready by march or you can opt out and we will deal with the pc situation after 1-2 months as initially agreed" can we say for sure that NRS people would take the extra workload+lack of payment just to save the pc fan base of the game?

I can't say no but I also can't say yes because I don't know them personally.

 

[AnabolicMan]

im woundering why wb don´t see the potential of mkx free to play .

all very succesfull competitive games are very cheep or free to play and can run on some years older pc´s !!! which give the game 20 * the playerbase the game normally would have had .

the only thing you Need to make the game succesfull is a good netcode
if you then sell Skins you can even make more Money then selling the game for a fixed prize. see counterstrike !!! People love the gamble and you could buy the game for 13 Dollar so you have Money left for gamble

this all brings enough Money for making huge turnaments like in league of legends and counterstrike

People know , the Support of the game will be huge if it get free to play , providing the community with new Skins and patches every month for years!!

valve games are so succesfull because everyone know they will support there games for years and dont push out a game every Holiday season even if it is no ftp publisher. Another Point what make pc Special is the modding community that pushed the games so far.

in counterstrike, left for dead and chivalery you had contests for the moders who can do the best map and Skins. in chivalery People could even win 10k for doing the best maps. the devs then overworked them a bit and the moders got mentioned in the credits and the map released on the official Servers.

when chivalery get a drop in playerbase they immediatly do a free to play Weekend + prize reduction which brings a lot of new Players .

 

[Evil1nside]

IMO the problem is not the lack of KP2 or GGPO for PC, the majority of the frustration and outrage caused in the community comes from the lack of communication and absolute ignorance from all sides. WB and NRS are not even mentioning it, is like it never happened, we are yet to have any official word on that matter.
The other part of the problem also comes from within the community itself.
People gets discriminated(as if they are not part of the same community) just because they prefer playing on a different platform.
The lack of support from the community as a whole and the lack of communication from the developers/publishers is IMO the root of the issue.
This cannot possible lead to any good as you have guessed already, the community gets split just because of some stupid reasons like "oh, but I will have those shiny new pixels on the screen that you wont have, so fuck you, live with it"
I cannot stretch how stupid this whole situation really is...
PC master race, console peasants, and all sorts of crap like this have to go away really... it serves no good to anyone, its lame, and it makes no sense what so ever, because at the end of the day, if you look objectively at the things FOR ONCE you will understand that we are all love playing the same game, from the same developer, from the same publisher, basically we're on the same boat, just like everyone else from this so called(now absolutely wrecked) MK community.
Here's an example...
Imagine 3 peoples and a captain traveling in the same boat ok? good.
They bought the same tickets to the same destination and they ware all promised the same experience/quality.
All of a sudden the captain decides.... Hey, i'll just throw one of them off board for no apparent reason just because I don't like him/her.
The captain then grabs one of them and throws it off board while the other 2 are watching.
The 2 remaining passengers ware scared from the actions taken by the captain, but they remain silent about it just because they finally reached the destination they ware traveling to...
As a thank you note, the captain then offered them a free hotel and an option to travel on his ship again on half price with all the other extras the comes with it.
The 2 of them quickly forgot about the 3rd guy, and they lived happily ever after.
End of story.
I hope you see how stupid this whole situation really is...

 

[AnabolicMan]

the lack of a proper community specialist is a Problem ,someone who answer the threads every day and re4ad the forums about Gamers opinionsand recommendations + suggestions and answer to them

i dont like platform wars and i hope this will be ending after sf5 announced cross platform gameplay.
i like that capcom not release there game on the shitty x box, because those guys from Microsoft are those who not want to allow cross platform gameplay and split the community.
sony have nothing against it, so no sfv for x box .

i hoped much that mkx will get cross platform gameplay between ps4 and pc too
sfv is just not my prefered universe as i dont like marvel movies or games

 

[VerminatorX]

@Anabolic Man - WB can`t properly announce basic information, and you expect them to advancely interact with community? xD

 

[Juxtapose]

There are many pros and cons to both PC and console, and the whole "platform war" is nothing more than silly penis envy.

Video games are awesome, and one who limits himself to a single platform is doing just that, limiting himself.

Play and enjoy games, on your platform of choice for reasons that best suit you, and on more than one platform if you're able!

 

[Juxtapose]

Regarding the responsibility conversation again, I also agree to your version of the story, is more possible to has happened this way. I mean even if NRS wanted to support PC version without WB permission + money couldn't do it. But we have also to understand that even if WB is their boss they are still partners and in situations like these there is dialog between partners. So if a WB manager told Ed Boon about pc demographics and said to him "we can hire a port company with half of the previous budget and your team will need to work for X months Y amount of extra hours in order to help with the porting procedure in order to have this pc edition ready by march or you can opt out and we will deal with the pc situation after 1-2 months as initially agreed" can we say for sure that NRS people would take the extra workload+lack of payment just to save the pc fan base of the game?

Reading the above, I think I understand what you mean, and if I'm interpreting correctly, I don't think you understand fully how business works and how subsidiaries work.

WBIE owns NetherRealm Studios. Period. If they task a project to NRS, NRS will do that project. In terms of payment, it depends if NRS' employees are on salary or contract. If they're on salary, they get paid regardless, and they get paid their salary rate. If they're paid hourly (unlikely save for lower level employees), they'd get their hourly rate and overtime as required and if authorized. If they're contract workers, they would get their contracted rates.

If WBIE doesn't pay an employee as per the governing laws of the country and state, then there'd be a legal issue on their hands.

In terms of decision making, people focus far too much on Ed Boon. He's the franchise director, true, but he still works for WBIE. If a senior exec or someone of authority from WBIE tells Ed to do something, to not say something, or to drop something or restructure a project, he'll do it. All the decisions Ed is capable of making for NRS on his own, that authority is granted by WBIE and he's still accountable to them no matter how much autonomy he actually has or does not have.

 

[chris999]

@Juxtapose Thank you for the answer. Yes fully understandable. I just tried to give an example of how unexpected situations may be addressed even inside big companies with off the records solutions, that sometimes break the law(and I refer to overtime payment, of course I don't claim it happened here).

The only clue that I have right now that NRS studio may have something to do with this pc decision is the mail that someone received from WB, where WB implied that NRS was the one who came with the decision and another post from a fan who said that NRS also had played a role in the selection of QLOC for the further porting of the game. Yet, I understand that these are just leaks and could be posted around Internet to serve other purposes. As you said I have no clue about the grade of autonomy Ed Boon was given by WB regarding MKX project and that's why in my messages I try to speak hypothetically and just to pose questions not in any way to accuse Ed Boon personally or any other of NRS employees.

 

[SaSSolino]

There are many pros and cons to both PC and console, and the whole "platform war" is nothing more than silly penis envy.

Video games are awesome, and one who limits himself to a single platform is doing just that, limiting himself.

Play and enjoy games, on your platform of choice for reasons that best suit you, and on more than one platform if you're able!

 

[SaSSolino]

the number of users is pointless in my opinion, fact is that they decided to invest on pc in the first place and an X number of people paid just as much as the console players to get just as much as the console players. dropping the ball half way because they don't think it's profitable to make up for the mess they already made is what's wrong; even if PC has a tenth of the users consoles have, those users deserve what they paid for, it's as simple as that.

 

[Tarkatan Trash]

So you want people to lose their livelihoods and the ability to support their families because you can't play a video game on your PC.

The stupidity has reached critical mass.

If you majorly fuck up at your job, that's what happens to you and your family. Unlike you, I actually believe in people being held accountable for their actions. I want the people who made the decision to fuck over half a million consumers to feel the sting of the consequences of their actions.

 

[Rude]

If you majorly fuck up at your job, that's what happens to you and your family. Unlike you, I actually believe in people being held accountable for their actions. I want the people who made the decision to fuck over half a million consumers to feel the sting of the consequences of their actions.

Except the average, entry level WB employee had nothing to do with this decision.

Jesus.

 

[Juxtapose]

Except the average, entry level WB employee had nothing to do with this decision.

Jesus.

The majority of the people who would "loose their job" over bad business performance likely have no or little real decision making power. As someone who's been through "right sizing" for a company, I've seen this first hand.

The people responsible for said decision, even if they did loose their job, likely have enough money to be fine, and experience to get a job shortly after they take a vaca.

 

[Jedimindtricks]

You aren't entitled to anything with your purchase except for the base game that you got. Buggy as it was, it was at the PC industry standard that you PC players have set as acceptable with the garbage releases you keep buying. No one owes you anything. FFS with the Entitlement Generation.

 

[Juxtapose]

You aren't entitled to anything with your purchase except for the base game that you got. Buggy as it was, it was at the PC industry standard that you as PC players have set as acceptable with the garbage releases you keep buying. No one owes you anything. FFS with the Entitlement Generation.

That is very, very accurate and something people don't want to accept. Much of the general reaction, more specifically the kind of reaction, is indeed a visual embodiment of the entitlement generation. Shame, because it didn't need to be that way.

 

[VerminatorX]

I`d like to remind everyone most important thing:

Collapse of PC MKX community is WB`s damn fault! They hired cheapest porting team on planet and released unplayable port. People play games for entertainment, if product is broken they don`t waste their time and nerves, and NOBODY is obliged to stand behind certain game despite it doesn`t work, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.

I considered myself a very dedicated player. When this port was a total mess i was standing on my ears to get it working, and played it a lot despite this uncivilized online mode, a lot of my steam friends stopped g.a.f long ago and suggested me to stop also, but I defended it like a moron. But my patience had it end when KP2 and GGPO were confirmed for consoles only and I rage-uninstalled. IMO those 800 players on PC MKX seems a lot for me, they deserve a medal for their perseverance.

 

[BoromiRofGeo]

please stop responding to trolls and keep it civil.
some people spread cancer just by existing.