Question - Shinnok Shinnok Beta Changes Discussion

DrManhattan · Feb 3, 2016

ArmedCalf said:
Also gang, any difference in stolen moves? I really hope that he doesn't still have F/T's command grab. I don't think it's fair at all.

Can u spell out why that is broken?

DrManhattan · Feb 3, 2016

ArmedCalf said:
Do you agree that this is a buff he did not need and that will put him over the edge a bit?

U guys need to listen. This does not break him. Teleporting is reactable. Good players blow u up if u teleport raw. Risk reward is still intact.

No way is this a game breaking buff

DrManhattan · Feb 3, 2016

MrSunshine said:
I wonder why necro wasn't touched

He was. His judgement fist is waaaaaay faster. He has some good match ups. He is a situational use character. "Pocket character"

MsMiharo · Feb 3, 2016

BigMilk said:
I hope it's not but theoretically it should be possible......INFINITELY lol. Also I noticed someone mention the inputs to do jump in attack was to hold back. Does this effect how you teleport, because Raiden has some similar issues due to poorly mapped input requirements.

Teleport has a cooldown so I highly doubt it.

ArmedCalf · Feb 3, 2016

DrManhattan said:
U guys need to listen. This does not break him. Teleporting is reactable. Good players blow u up if u teleport raw. Risk reward is still intact.

No way is this a game breaking buff

Never said it broke him, but it's a very good buff honestly. Also Shinnok should not be able to take 20% just off a confirm. Without the buff Shinnok get's around 20-24% for a restand. Against F/T that becomes like 39-43%. I could see it if F/T had some crazy advantage over Shinnok but I just think it'd be a better MU if Shinnok stole like charge or something.

MsMiharo · Feb 3, 2016

ArmedCalf said:
Never said it broke him, but it's a very good buff honestly. Also Shinnok should not be able to take 20% just off a confirm. Without the buff Shinnok get's around 20-24% for a restand. Against F/T that becomes like 39-43%. I could see it if F/T had some crazy advantage over Shinnok but I just think it'd be a better MU if Shinnok stole like charge or something.

Shush!!! It's karma for the horrendous MU that is Jason.

DrManhattan · Feb 3, 2016

ArmedCalf said:
Never said it broke him, but it's a very good buff honestly. Also Shinnok should not be able to take 20% just off a confirm. Without the buff Shinnok get's around 20-24% for a restand. Against F/T that becomes like 39-43%. I could see it if F/T had some crazy advantage over Shinnok but I just think it'd be a better MU if Shinnok stole like charge or something.

For crystalline hits u it's 50% per touch to a restand.

If jacqui hits u its43-52> per touch.

If jax hits u in the corner it's 50%.

The list goes on. This is not an honest game. I need trash and brokenness to have a chance.

Canapper · Feb 3, 2016

BigMilk said:
I hope it's not but theoretically it should be possible......INFINITELY lol. Also I noticed someone mention the inputs to do jump in attack was to hold back. Does this effect how you teleport, because Raiden has some similar issues due to poorly mapped input requirements.

I think what they meant is that when you hold back while teleporting shinnok teleports in front of the opponent not behind the opponent. Also when you teleport in front of the opponent shinnok reaches the opponent faster at least in the current game I don't have a beta code yet

BigMilk · Feb 3, 2016

DrManhattan said:
U guys need to listen. This does not break him. Teleporting is reactable. Good players blow u up if u teleport raw. Risk reward is still intact.

No way is this a game breaking buff

Are you referring to ia Tele?

BigMilk · Feb 3, 2016

MsMiharo said:
Teleport has a cooldown so I highly doubt it.

Yea but it should still be possible

ArmedCalf · Feb 3, 2016

DrManhattan said:
For crystalline hits u it's 50% per touch to a restand.

If jacqui hits u its43-52> per touch.

If jax hits u in the corner it's 50%.

The list goes on. This is not an honest game. I need trash and brokenness to have a chance.

I see your point, it just seems like a super shitty OTG. Even if they swapped it, it would still be a pretty solid MU I feel but I get hat you're getting at.

ArmedCalf · Feb 3, 2016

MsMiharo said:
Shush!!! It's karma for the horrendous MU that is Jason.

Telling ya:

Down up down for reversal IA Tele

UF4 is your best chance at either Mimicry or Hell Sparks.

The move still sucks but no Shinnok player should ever get hit with raw Pursuit knowing these inputs.

MsMiharo · Feb 3, 2016

ArmedCalf said:
Telling ya:

Down up down for reversal IA Tele

UF4 is your best chance at either Mimicry or Hell Sparks.

The move still sucks but no Shinnok player should ever get hit with raw Pursuit knowing these inputs.

The issue is the move stolen lol

ArmedCalf · Feb 3, 2016

MsMiharo said:
The issue is the move stolen lol

Very true!

themanDan · Feb 3, 2016

I wish Shinnok would steal Johnny's nutpunch, I just wanna see Shinnok sock Johnny in his johnnies.

True Grave · Feb 3, 2016

Since everyone has been asking, I cut a clip from a match to show off his buff. I still want to lab actual tele combos tho.

After tele, hold forward or backwards and your move will act as a JIP/JIK.

Wetdoba · Feb 3, 2016

ArmedCalf said:
Never said it broke him, but it's a very good buff honestly. Also Shinnok should not be able to take 20% just off a confirm. Without the buff Shinnok get's around 20-24% for a restand. Against F/T that becomes like 39-43%. I could see it if F/T had some crazy advantage over Shinnok but I just think it'd be a better MU if Shinnok stole like charge or something.

The annoying part of Imposter vs FT is that he can command grab you out of the mimicry restand for free, dont even bother using it as a combo ender, just end everything in mimicry restand and tack on 20% unbreakable guarunteed damage for no meter and no risk. No point in risking a blocked overhead or spending meter on the low for vortex

buyacushun · Feb 3, 2016

@ArmedCalf you mind updating the OP with all changes?

ArmedCalf · Feb 3, 2016

buyacushun said:
@ArmedCalf you mind updating the OP with all changes?

I shall do that in a moment!

Lone · Feb 3, 2016

DrManhattan said:
For crystalline hits u it's 50% per touch to a restand.

If jacqui hits u its43-52> per touch.

If jax hits u in the corner it's 50%.

The list goes on. This is not an honest game. I need trash and brokenness to have a chance.

You going to any offline tournaments, P2W?

Harukaze · Feb 3, 2016

Metatron said:
Since everyone has been asking, I cut a clip from a match to show off his buff. I still want to lab actual tele combos tho.

After tele, hold forward or backwards and your move will act as a JIP/JIK.

wow this is sooooo beautiful i already have soo many good ideas cant wait for the new patch to come out

MsMiharo · Feb 3, 2016

In theory, after a mimicry, you should be able to do iatp, iatp jip2 312, hs (mb second hit) to do ~12% chip and build back around 1/2 a bar.

JesterSMX · Feb 3, 2016

The netcode was the only buff he needed. Not whiffing hellspark juggle and getting fully punished.

This makes him brand new. The damage buff and all the ways to lock an opponent down might make him better than pre-patch bs.

I wouldn't know how to test this but does anyone know from start to finish how many frames a perfect ia tele takes?

Harukaze · Feb 3, 2016

i would love to know too the frames cuz when i do them perfect after knockdown on my opponent its soo fast that they cant even armor me on wake up cuz i teleport and the moment they wake up or armor im already in block soo would really love to know it

babalook · Feb 3, 2016

so if you do a jip cancelled into teleport jip does it jail on block and/or combo on hit.

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