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Match-Up Discussion - Sun God Grandmaster...WTF

Name v.5.0

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
This is the dumbest MU I've played yet in this game..I want to know the serious MU number.

Mid screen I feel completely powerless. You can try and jump over the clone and do an air normal onto Sub which sort of works at first. Then he adapts and back dashes, or low profiles you, or blows up the clone.

When trapped in a corner, beating the clone seems inconsistent. After he does B2 and I block, I think D4 sorta works...I think I even got a B1 to work once. Oddly enough I was more comfortable in the corner against GMS then mid screen.

I didn't get time to hit the lab, but am I wrong in saying that after 114~whiffed air grab, that Sub can reversal EX-clone and stop you dead in your tracks? Frame data suggest I need to be frame perfect there to continue pressure.

What are you Sun God mains doing mid screen and in the corner to beat the clone? What am I supposed to be doing here?
 
mattnin

mattnin

Noob
It's a pretty bad MU. I play Blood God but when a GM scrubs a clone game, it's very hard to get inside and just very frustrating. I can deal with cryo or unbreakable, but if they pick GM your best bet is to switch to War God or some other character honestly. And yes, you must be frame perfect to continue the b1 after the df1 whiff to counter the EX Slide. You might as well try parry during the clone game. I have gotten lucky with a clone toss parry or clone and overhead parry but it's not easy.
 
Braindead

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
Yeah I've always felt this was bad, but it's a bit better with the recent Sun God buffs, because if you hit him once you take a big chunk of his health then you can turtle and parry everything he tries to throw at you, which forces Sub-Zero to come in and make mistakes. However it's still bad because it's not exactly easy to get the health lead.

Anyway it's not a real problem because War God does well against Grandmaster, which is the whole point of the variations system.
 
Name v.5.0

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
So what I'm taking away here is...Change character/variation, or get fucked. That sucks. Lex was my alt in IGAU, and this MU reminds me of the Zod MU.

Considering my main is really good against GM, that's who I'll use, but sometimes I'm bored and don't want to play with my main.
 
JDM

JDM

Noob
RagingRicans said:
@JDM
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Lol I saw this thread already :3


Best things to do in the matchup is parry all iceballs/clone from full screen, sunlight when you can and cash out your levels for Health. Make him come to you. Ice Clone is extremely broken in some matchups though so good luck. If he doesn't have meter and he does a blockstring into clone, I'd suggest reversal j.1 but I'm sure he can bait that. Maybe reversal projectile but the recovery might be punishable after it shatters clone.


Anyone who cant deal with clone consistently has a very hard time against Sub Zero.
 
mattnin

mattnin

Noob
Name v.5.0 said:
Considering my main is really good against GM, that's who I'll use, but sometimes I'm bored and don't want to play with my main.
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I call BS. I bet you love Kotal more than your main :-P you can admit it, we won't judge, we all love Kotal over here :) I totally understand. I play a pretty damn good Kitana but some days I just don't care about my win/loss ratio and play nothing but Blood God, bad MU's or not. It's fun and who doesn't like hearing, "On your knees!" Kotal has the best quotes
 
Name v.5.0

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
mattnin said:
I call BS. I bet you love Kotal more than your main :-P you can admit it, we won't judge, we all love Kotal over here :) I totally understand. I play a pretty damn good Kitana but some days I just don't care about my win/loss ratio and play nothing but Blood God, bad MU's or not. It's fun and who doesn't like hearing, "On your knees!" Kotal has the best quotes
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Hhahaha, yes!

I have soooo much fun with him. The grab causes so much salt and that just tickles me. Still, JC has been my guy since the early 90s.
 
mkl

mkl

Poopbutt.
Blood God can put obsidian down and fight the war on GM's terms. So it's not THAT bad. Sun God on the other hand is totally shit out of luck in that MU.
 
Lord Beef

Lord Beef

Death Metal and Trance
I honestly don't know what to say about this match up other than Sub should never lose. lol

@Korey Wilburn (KoreytheDragon)
@Pnut

Calling in for some of Koreys input. He recently ran this matchup with AlucarD really heavily. And yeah....it didn't look good nor fun for poor SG. Also calling in PNut to help.
 
AZTEC-GOD

AZTEC-GOD

I will kill you for sport.
Dear God GM Sub is my only curse.... totally fucked with Sun & Blood, decent in War but even still it's not that easy. I hate it that he doesn't have a fast projectile, his sun disk and sword toss are too slow. His EX versions are fast of course but I don't have bars to spend for days.... I really wish he could throw his maces he carries on his back, around the same speed as Tanya's tonfas or Kitana's bladed fans. I hope they give him something to fight against that irritating as fuck clone.
 
AZTEC-GOD

AZTEC-GOD

I will kill you for sport.
You have to be impeccable with timing, it's not about leveling up rather having Kotal obtain more tools equipped with counter acting that. Most Sub clones use the hell out of the clone....I can be a sub easy, it's just the clone trolling that makes it tough. So, I'm leveled up.
 
ChaosTheory

ChaosTheory

A fat woman came into the shoe store today...
ID_Moi_LSac said:
It was only 1 match but you can get the idea behind the matchup @5:18:22. Madzin made good use of parry, EX Sunlight and defense totem.
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Wow, haha. In round 2 of that first match, Sub had to open Kotal five times for full combos to get that match. Not to mention a Clone Toss, throw, AA Clone Shatter, partial combo into Slide, and an anti-crossover combo. Sub basically flawlessed him but lost like 20% just for doing combos in the corner. Sheesh. Rounds 1 and 3 were competitive.

Probably still a bad match-up, but it can't be as bad as Sun God (if Sun God is as bad as guys are saying), can it?
 
Name v.5.0

Name v.5.0

Iowa's Finest.
Spencer said:
If I'm not mistaking kotal Kahn can jump over sub zero ice clone with a well placed jump in punch.

So I'm my opinion his Match up with sub zero is not that bad.

People just need to level up.
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When you're ONLY option is to jump over the clone if you want to go in, what do you think is going to happen? SZ can adapt to that particular situation, and Kotal cant. I even mentioned in the OP that the SZ I play against adapted and continued to wail on me. If you think the MU is not that bad, then you arent playing a GMSZ that's any good.
 
AZTEC-GOD

AZTEC-GOD

I will kill you for sport.
Name v.5.0 said:
When you're ONLY option is to jump over the clone if you want to go in, what do you think is going to happen? SZ can adapt to that particular situation, and Kotal cant. I even mentioned in the OP that the SZ I play against adapted and continued to wail on me. If you think the MU is not that bad, then you arent playing a GMSZ that's any good.
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Exactly! Lol well said. If you aren't a Kotal Kahn main aka (live and breathe the character, over 2000 plus matches played with him) then you don't know what you're talking about. He's been my character since day 1, and he still doesn't have anything to really go in on GM Sub when the Sub you're playing is trolling the clones like nobodies business.

I've beaten really good GM's before & they've beaten me, but that's because they weren't trolling and they actually had skill. If you can get in on a GMSZ like he said, then they aren't good at all.
 
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